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TLG - Posted - 11/03/2012: 06:04:44
B&D
Lou Bourbon - Posted - 11/03/2012: 10:45:58
Bacon and Day....is that a common tonering style for B&D? Spun Brass?
Lou
TLG - Posted - 11/03/2012: 11:39:58
Hi Lou,
Yes, thin spun brass. OME calles theirs "silver spun" I think. Bill Rickard also makes one.
Looks like a B&D rim & ring without the inside 1/4 ring, even had the cut for the flange & B&D shoe spacing.
Getting too high for what it is in the shape it is.
Tommy
Lou Bourbon - Posted - 11/04/2012: 07:47:48
Tommy,
What would the "Inside 1/4" ring look like?
I'm trying to determine if what I have in one of my banjos is an Old Bacon and Day tonering.
Lou
Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 11/04/2012: 08:20:31
Lou,
The rim and the Type III tone ring is from a 1928 B&D Silver Bell.
I´ve asked the seller whether the ring comes with these parts or not.
The loose ring is made of a round 1/4" copper plated steel bar.
Polle
Edited by - Polle Flaunoe on 11/04/2012 08:21:16
TLG - Posted - 11/04/2012: 11:06:29
What Pollie said.
Lou,
Yours should have the 1/4 ring. If not, you could install a brass one. I don't know why B&D used steel rings but they did. I have a BACON openback low end tenor with about a 5/16" round steel ring. I plan on making a new neck & I will change it out for a brass one.
Tommy
Lou Bourbon - Posted - 11/04/2012: 11:24:04
OK...this is what I have in the banjo. It's and RB-00 with a B&D flathead tonering...sounded like crap with the steel bar under the tonering...I took it out and the sound opened up like crazy. Neat old tonering!
Lou
TLG - Posted - 11/04/2012: 11:30:11
Lou,
Great, you fixed it.
For kicks you could install a brass ring & see what happens.
Tom
stanger - Posted - 11/10/2012: 21:20:38
quote:
Originally posted by Lou Bourbon
OK...this is what I have in the banjo. It's and RB-00 with a B&D flathead tonering...sounded like crap with the steel bar under the tonering...I took it out and the sound opened up like crazy. Neat old tonering!
Lou
Hi, Lou...
That steel hoop is there for structure as well as tone. It supports the thin spun brass tone ring, and without it, the head's pressure can distort and warp the tone ring over time. Once it id bent, the tone ring is shot.
If you mess with head tension and have an adjustable tailpiece on your banjo, you can get that same open sound with the steel hoop in place. The Sliver Bell ring has a rather narrow sweet spot, but it's there.
regards,
stanger
Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 11/11/2012: 16:56:56
Lou,
If your tone ring is the Type III - the last flattop type without holes in- and outside - it´s meant to have a "floating inner lip" - with a gap between the lip and the recess at the rim:
Due to this the tone ring will absolutely have to rest on the copper plated steel hoop at the top of the rim.
BTW - the rim on Silver Bell´s with this tone ring is cut in a very special way - hard to explain - you´ll have to see and take measures from an original example yourself.
Polle
PS!
The OME Silverspun tone ring is based on the earlier Type II Silver Bell tone ring - its inner lip/skirt has a close fit in the rim recess - for ventilation of the inclosed air chamber it has punched/drilled holes in the lip/skirt.
Edited by - Polle Flaunoe on 11/11/2012 17:00:32
