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uncle.fogey - Posted - 07/02/2012: 16:50:00
I have the necks fairly finished, in terms of shape, and now I have to shape the heels so that I have a good contact with the rim.
This means I have to assemble the pots so that I have something to fit them to.
We’ve come a long way with this -here’s a picture of all the parts we wanted to make back in April:

So, now, all those parts are made, and I have to put them together - for one thing, to see if they all actually fit. I don’t want to have to keep finishing things over and over, so I have done pretty much everyt preliminary that has to be done to these.
Now I have to assemble and finish them.
At the beginning of the project, I decided to use raw brass with patinas instead of nickel or gold plating. Of course, I could always change my mind and plate these things later - the patina is not permanent, but I like the patina idea - it ages, it looks “old” it has character, and it doesn’t inhibit the sound, it looks unusual for a BG banjo.
First thing, to get all the oils etc off the parts, I run them through the dishwasher, along with plates and coffee mugs, which gives them the beginnings of a patina right out of the gate.

Then I start soaking them in “Brass darkening solution” There are many ways to do this - JAX, liver of sulfur, etc - this is only one way - I'm sure we'll find other ones. I like the colors you can get - blue, red, brown.
I am using the water trays from flower pots you can get from garden centers:
You soak them, brush them, then pull them out and rinse them in water when the color gets the way you want it - left long enough, they will turn brown:

After they have gotten the patina, you touch up parts of them, especially the edges with a buffer or 3M cloth. They will get like this all by themselves, but I like to see it right away:

Now I have a lot of parts, and I have to put them together. You can see that I have to tap the bracket bands on with a block and hammer - they fit tight like hoops on a barrel. I now have two pots - the parts are interchangeable between one another. You can see the lively colors of the patinas here

I have to interject one thing here - there has been a lively discussion going on about steam bent rims. The rim to the left of these pictures was made in January from a beech tree cut around Christmas. After making the slats, steaming and bending and glueing, I let it dry for two weeks and turned it down. Now 6 months later, (it has been in my heated shop) - it has not shrunk AT ALL, or gone out of round AT ALL - I have to pound the bracket band on with a hammer, like a barrel hoop and the tone rings fit perfectly. It is EXACTLY the same as it was 6 months ago, and EXACTLY the same outside dimension-wise as the maple finger-jointed one that is made from 35 year old wood. I just thought I should bring that up for the benefit of those who may be intimidated and swayed by thinking you should use kiln-dried wood. Enough said.

The resonator flange plate, is made like the old PW Gibson 2PF plates - every other hole is bigger, so you can remove the plate without taking the whole thing apart - here you can see how it works., I am doing this because these banjos are “multi-purpose” - openback or resonator "OBBG"s, and you might want to take off the flange.

Great idea - I wish I had thought of this, but I'm late by 85 years.
Before I put the heads on, I rub the top ring with parrafin. - Tympani players do this to make the head slip better so that it doesn’t get hung up when you tighten and tune the head - I think it's a good idea, and another one I didn't think of:

Then I put them all together - here’s what they look like:

Next step is to tune them and fit the necks.
You’ll notice that the resonators have no heel openings - I’ll do that soon, and I‘ll finish the necks and resonators together, side by side.
wuzapicker - Posted - 07/02/2012: 17:39:45
Ken,
The patina looks real good. Some older brass fitted muzzle loaders get to looking "weathered" like that. If my dad was still living I'd ask him how he would get that effect.
I have a 1922 Paramount Style A which metalwork some misguided soul buffed clean of the original nickel then lacqured. lf ever I decide to do anything with it I may choose to go for the effect you have achieved.
Lange also painted some metat parts with a hard enamel. Tht Paramount Aristocrat Special had the flange and rim jacket painted white will all other metal gold plated. Late Leader Specials got like treatment. The ordinary way Gibson did things is certainly not the only way.
Michael
Edited by - wuzapicker on 07/02/2012 17:40:57
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