uncle.fogey - Posted - 06/28/2012:  17:37:09

Now that I have these peghead veneers roughed out, I have to have a peghead wide enougn to glue them on to.



When I cut out the neck blanks, I had wood from the same board, same grain orientation that I saved for the “ears”-

Here’s a pic of the way the blanks were cut out - on the bottom picture, you see the "ears::





So now, I glue these “ears”  onto the peghead blank - I have to sand them down with a disc sander to .065 so that the pegs will fit - the thickness of the veneer and cross banding is incorporated into the .065 thickness:





then I can glue the veneers onto the peghead, I make a “shaping caul” from w waste piece of pine, and screw the peghead onto that through holes I drill where the pegs will be - the top 3/8" of the pine caul is screwed on and replaced with every peghead. It provides a "bottom", which minimizes tearout as I cut the shape:





Once the neck and peghead are securely screwed on, you can bandsaw the shape, a little bit at a time.





After you get it cut out with the bandsaw, you use spindle sanders, files, and sandpaper to clean it up.

THIS IS YOUR BIG CHANCE TO GET THIS ALL CRISP AND CLEAN - don’t blow it.





Now, I drill the quatrefoil out on the medieval one:

It's hard to see into the piercing in the photo - in actuality, you can see all the laminations and cross banding. I'll show better pictures later.

 

Seeders - Posted - 06/28/2012:  18:22:58

I love the quatrefoil. Nice touch.

My first longneck build just headed out the door a few minutes ago. Can't wait to get some pictures up so you can check them out.

Great photos of a very important process.

Dave1climber - Posted - 06/28/2012:  19:52:36

Dave

Edited by - Dave1climber on 06/28/2012 19:54:24

rockb59 - Posted - 06/28/2012:  20:03:45

Ken I sure do like your creativity!  Your banjo stuff is original and one of a kind!

I can imagine somebody on e-bay 50 years from now going cool look at this !!

Keep it going!

rock from Kalamazoo

BPorter - Posted - 06/29/2012:  04:29:17

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Originally posted by Seeders

I love the quatrefoil. Nice touch.

My first longneck build just headed out the door a few minutes ago. Can't wait to get some pictures up so you can check them out.

Great photos of a very important process.

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 Ken, you make it look easy!  Experience is hard to beat.

Thanks,

Bill

jay_m - Posted - 06/29/2012:  05:12:44

just saw your videos on youtube, ken. great quality! its interesting to see the actual person that belongs to the fingers in these fascinating threads.

wuzapicker - Posted - 06/29/2012:  08:17:57

Thanks Ken,

Good Stuff!

The last two necks I built I cut the peghead shape by hand with a coping saw because no bandsaw was available to me. One can tell they are hand cut, but they aren't bad.

I also used Epoxy to glue and fill the inlays. But after so many years the Epoxy raised up a little so its visible. I would hope the superglue filler would not do that.

DerekWest - Posted - 06/29/2012:  10:50:56

Please pardon my ignorance: my wood working experience is watching the New Yankee Workshop on PBS... anyway, when gluing a butt joint like the peg head ears, Norm would whip out the biscuit jointer and whatnot or a finger joint. Is the butt joint the traditional peghead ear joint? Would reinforcing the joint with buscuits or fingers or pins be counter productive (ie: adding mass or weight)?

And could you show how much of the ears are being used by the peg head, it seems to be very little... 

[Edit:] Oh... I see it now, it looks like the edges of the side curves?

Thanks so much for your dedication to sharing this information... such a great series!

-DW

Edited by - DerekWest on 06/29/2012 10:57:57

uncle.fogey - Posted - 06/29/2012:  13:44:30

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Originally posted by DerekWest

Please pardon my ignorance: my wood working experience is watching the New Yankee Workshop on PBS... anyway, when gluing a butt joint like the peg head ears, Norm would whip out the biscuit jointer and whatnot or a finger joint. Is the butt joint the traditional peghead ear joint? Would reinforcing the joint with buscuits or fingers or pins be counter productive (ie: adding mass or weight)?

And could you show how much of the ears are being used by the peg head, it seems to be very little... 

[Edit:] Oh... I see it now, it looks like the edges of the side curves?

Thanks so much for your dedication to sharing this information... such a great series!

 

An interesting question DW - I never thought about that.

There is no stress on those ears, and the Titebond 1 glue joint is probably stronger than the wood itself, so it won't come apart. If you were to use biscuit joints, you'd see them on the side grain when you shaped the peghead, and they might not come out where you wanted them to be

 

-DW

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aeroweenie - Posted - 06/29/2012:  17:40:42

As usual, great information Ken.  And timely, as I'm about to do my first neck with a fingerboard and a veneered peghead.  thanks!

Corwyn - Posted - 06/29/2012:  18:33:11

The peghead reinforces the ears better than any biscuit would do.

Seeders - Posted - 06/29/2012:  20:44:30

quote:

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Originally posted by DerekWest

Please pardon my ignorance: my wood working experience is watching the New Yankee Workshop on PBS... anyway, when gluing a butt joint like the peg head ears, Norm would whip out the biscuit jointer and whatnot or a finger joint. Is the butt joint the traditional peghead ear joint? Would reinforcing the joint with buscuits or fingers or pins be counter productive (ie: adding mass or weight)?

And could you show how much of the ears are being used by the peg head, it seems to be very little... 

[Edit:] Oh... I see it now, it looks like the edges of the side curves?

Thanks so much for your dedication to sharing this information... such a great series!

 

-DW

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Usually a butt joint refers to gluing end grain to end grain or end grain to long grain. Anything glued this way without another joinery method is pretty weak, however, the peghead ears are glued long grain to long grain which creates a much stronger bond and one used in most furniture (table tops for instance). When there is as much glue surface as the ears have and there's the right amount of glue and clamping pressure used it's incredibly strong. If stressed enough the wood will break before most of the glue joint. It's very common to do this kind of glue-up in woodworking with no joinery at all.

uncle.fogey - Posted - 06/30/2012:  09:55:40

Here's a close up of the back of one of the pegheads in process - I made lines so you can see where the ears come out. I realize it's not a "butt joint", but I can't think of what the standard name for it would be - it's just a plain edge grain glue joint.

DerekWest - Posted - 07/16/2012:  12:54:53

Thanks so much for clearing that up!

​-DW

mbanza - Posted - 07/16/2012:  13:53:35

Ken, this must be a typo:  "I have to sand them down with a disc sander to .065 . . ."

Caliper picture looks like 0.650.