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EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 04/20/2012: 10:44:08
Jimmy Wheeler, "Berea College Digital Library of Appalachia", recorded by John Harrod: dla.acaweb.org/cdm4/item_viewe...amp;REC=2 (solo fiddle) (solo fiddle)
The Red Mule String Band, on "Young Fogies" (1994): amazon.com/The-Young-Fogies-Va...0000002M3 (full band)
I could find no solo banjo versions, but there is banjo tab on the Mossy Roof site: stringband.mossyroof.com/Blind...dhole.png
Edited by - EggerRidgeBoy on 04/20/2012 19:06:36
majikgator - Posted - 04/20/2012: 11:43:49
NIce high energy tune, i too was born in that general neck of the woods a long long time ago since i've seen it.
vrteach - Posted - 04/20/2012: 13:28:19
Good tune, and a remarkable write-up. I'll see if I can work up a version.
RG - Posted - 04/20/2012: 15:04:39
Real fun tune to play and cool write-up, going to work this out on the fiddle as well...thanks for posting!
J-Walk - Posted - 04/20/2012: 16:15:25
Well that one moves right along. I have five different recordings of it, but I've never really noticed it. I think the Dave Marshall recording is the easiest to learn from. I'll give it a try.
J-Walk - Posted - 04/20/2012: 16:49:25
Does anyone think that the two parts are in different keys? One's in A and the other is in E?
Both part parts use the same chords, so it doesn't really make much difference. But it sounds like a key change to me. Maybe that's what makes this simple tune so appealing.
J-Walk - Posted - 04/20/2012: 17:43:37
Here's a corrected link for the subway busking video:
youtube.com/watch?feature=play...5U#t=140s
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 04/20/2012: 18:32:22
quote:
Originally posted by J-Walk
Here's a corrected link for the subway busking video:
youtube.com/watch?feature=play...5U#t=140s
Thanks for correcting that - guess I was multi-tasking a bit too much and pasted in the wrong link.
I've changed it in the original post.
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 04/20/2012: 19:21:37
quote:
Originally posted by vrteach
Good tune, and a remarkable write-up. I'll see if I can work up a version.
Thanks Erich, glad you enjoyed the tune and the write-up. Looking forward to your version.
Edited by - EggerRidgeBoy on 04/20/2012 19:23:39
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 04/20/2012: 19:27:21
quote:
Originally posted by RG
Real fun tune to play and cool write-up, going to work this out on the fiddle as well...thanks for posting!
Glad you are enjoying the tune RG! Wish I could play it on the fiddle as well.
Edited by - EggerRidgeBoy on 04/20/2012 19:29:54
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 04/20/2012: 19:35:26
quote:
Originally posted by J-Walk
Well that one moves right along. I have five different recordings of it, but I've never really noticed it. I think the Dave Marshall recording is the easiest to learn from. I'll give it a try.
Just out of curiosity, what are those five recordings? Are they all commercial releases, or are some "field recordings" (of jams and such)? Just trying to compile a list for myself of the available versions.
J-Walk - Posted - 04/20/2012: 21:53:19
The recordings I have:
Red Mule String Band (From Young Fogies Vol. 1)
Jimmy Wheeler
Pete Sutherland
Dave Marshall et al
Unknown players recorded at Clifftop 2011
atleson - Posted - 04/21/2012: 06:10:02
as always, i'm fascinated by Mark Olitsky's playing. If he's playing in Amodel, what are the chords he seems to be playing, and, especially, what is he doing so far up the neck. I'm finding it hard to get some of the melody which, intentionally i think, is not really clear. Great tune to listen to, though----real zen tune.
jim
Rocketrob - Posted - 04/21/2012: 07:42:59
Wonderful write up!
Thanks for exploring South and SouthEastern Ohio.
-Relocated Buckeye
stigandr5 - Posted - 04/21/2012: 09:33:07
This is a fun tune!
Here's my canjo rendition and an accompanying tab. Thanks for such a gem this week!
![]() VIDEO: "Blind Steer in a Mudhole" N.A. Wendte (click to view) | ![]() Blind Steer in the Mudhole Tab |
Castania - Posted - 04/21/2012: 16:27:09
A big thanks for this one . . . and a another thanks for that tab!
Ken
Tamarack - Posted - 04/23/2012: 04:40:29
A Blind Steer in a Mudhole would indeed be a predicament.
Thanks EggerRidgeBoy -- a fine old tune with interesting origins. There must be lots of non-Appalachian tunes out there. Around the turn of the 19th/20th centuries, five string banjos were a parlor instrument in the northeast and midwest (and elsewhere). I wonder how many wayward sons snuck out to the barn with Mom or Dad's banjo and made up some tunes with their fiddle-playing friends.
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 04/24/2012: 10:39:34
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Originally posted by Rocketrob
Wonderful write up!
Thanks for exploring South and SouthEastern Ohio.
-Relocated Buckeye
Glad you enjoyed it.
I've been compiling a list of Ohio old-time tunes, which so far basically consists of those tunes from the Ohio fiddlers mentioned in my post that either were written by them or for which there is no other source. I'd like to come up with banjo versions of those fiddle tunes, but my learning-by-ear skills are such that it will probably take me a long time to do so. Anyway, if and when I get some of those done, I'll post them on my BHO homepage.
Where in Ohio did you live? I was born and raised in Columbus, but both of my parents were from Monroe County (along the Ohio river, between Marietta and Wheeling, West Virginia).
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 04/24/2012: 10:42:28
quote:
Originally posted by stigandr5
This is a fun tune!
Here's my canjo rendition and an accompanying tab. Thanks for such a gem this week!
Thanks very much for the video and the tab. I enjoyed hearing your version, and spent some time last night learning it from the tab. Glad you found it fun to play.
Clawdan - Posted - 04/24/2012: 10:49:51
Great tune choice and great write up. I was in Ohio from about 1983 or 4 and still have my place in Southern Ohio though I don't get there much anymore. The whole state is rich with old time music and this was one of those tunes that I played even without knowing the name of it. Thanks for the wonderful in depth look at this one.
Play Nice,
Dan
Clawdan.com
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 04/24/2012: 11:13:03
quote:
Originally posted by Tamarack
A Blind Steer in a Mudhole would indeed be a predicament.
Thanks EggerRidgeBoy -- a fine old tune with interesting origins. There must be lots of non-Appalachian tunes out there. Around the turn of the 19th/20th centuries, five string banjos were a parlor instrument in the northeast and midwest (and elsewhere). I wonder how many wayward sons snuck out to the barn with Mom or Dad's banjo and made up some tunes with their fiddle-playing friends.
Yes, I would not want to be in charge of such a situation. I had enough trouble getting my dog out of giant mud puddle (or small mudhole) a few days ago, during a walk in a local dog park. It is a mostly wooded park, and, at the very end of our two-hour visit there, she managed to find a small, hidden path that led directly to a two-foot deep mud puddle, which she of course happily jumped in before I could stop her. We had to walk around for another 30 minutes until she was dry enough to put in the car. I find that since taking up clawhammer banjo I increasingly view the world in "fiddle tune title" terms - it seems like several times a day I experience or see something and immediately think "that would make a good old-time tune title". Like "Wet Dog in the Mud Puddle".
There probably were - and to some extent still are - a lot of tunes native to Ohio. They just haven't been collected on the same scale as they have been in the more well-known old-time music regions. I would be curious as to the differences in music among the various parts of Ohio. There were three very distinct bands of settlement across the state, with each band's history and culture closely reflecting that of the settlers' places of origin. The southern, hilly region along the river was settled by people from Appalachia, a narrow band right through the middle by people from the mid-Atlantic, and the northern third by groups from New England. Not surprisingly, most of the recording and collecting that I have come across has was done in the southern third of the state, where the geography and culture are similar to Appalachia (actually, several counties in the southeast are considered to be in Appalachia, for census purposes). It would be interesting to find traditional banjo music from the northern parts of the state, to see if and how it differed from the southern areas.
Edited by - EggerRidgeBoy on 04/24/2012 11:22:44
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 04/26/2012: 10:27:12
quote:
Originally posted by Clawdan
Great tune choice and great write up. I was in Ohio from about 1983 or 4 and still have my place in Southern Ohio though I don't get there much anymore. The whole state is rich with old time music and this was one of those tunes that I played even without knowing the name of it. Thanks for the wonderful in depth look at this one.
Play Nice,
Dan
Clawdan.com
I'm glad you enjoyed the tune and the write-up.
I'm also glad to hear that you found Ohio to be full of old-time music. I need to focus on exploring as much of that as I can. Soon after I took up clawhammer banjo in 2008, I discovered your music, teaching materials, and banjo camps. Your instruction books and tune collections have been very helpful to me, and I had hoped to get to one of the camps at your home in Gallia County - it looked like the perfect setting for a weekend of banjo picking (and it reminded me a great deal of my grandparents' homes in southeastern Ohio). I didn't manage to do so before your move to Arizona, however. I'm still aiming to attend one of your camps, though, and I keep an eye out for when you get east of the Mississippi.
It's interesting to hear that you played "Blind Steer in a Mudhole", even if you didn't call it that. I'm guessing you learned it while living in Ohio? Gallia County borders Scioto County, Jimmy Wheeler's home, so it would make sense that you picked it up from fiddlers in that area. Then again, as I mentioned in my post, it might be more common and widespread than I realize - I don't have enough experience in jams and festivals around the country to judge such things.
oldwoodchuckb - Posted - 04/26/2012: 13:56:37
We used to play a tune caled "Huldy in the Sinkhole" that might be the same or closely related. I can't remember that tune at all but I seem to remember playing something like that Blind Steer tune. My wiffe is no helpon this one as she has completely forgoten it too.
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