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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: TOTW 4/6/2012: Lonnie's Tune


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LyleK - Posted - 04/05/2012:  23:21:41



I picked "Lonnie's Tune"  for a number of reasons, as follows:



1. I'm lazy - because this tune is pretty obscure, there isn't much research that can be done on the tune.



2. It's in the key of "E", which should be "one better" than D, right?



3. It came from a great Missour fiddler, Lonnie Robertson.



4. There's a black and white home movie of another great Missouri fiddler (Cyril Stinnett) playing this tune that is available from Youtube (see below).



5. At the end of the movie the person shooting the film asks of Stinnett: "What did you say Lonnie called that?" and Stinnett replied "I don't know what he called that.  Let's see, I think he got that out of a book."  So much for learning everything by ear, as one often reads in various BHO threads.



But let's get to the tune itself.  First, it shouldn't be confused with "Lonnie's Breakdown" which is also from Lonnie Robertson, but is a totally different tune.  The structureof Lonnie's tune is AABB and it is pretty predictable except (maybe) for the D chord in the B part.  I picked the tune up from the "Cyril Stinnett Appr. Society" on Youtube (see youtube.com/user/Farmerjonz).  And while on the subject of Missour fiddlers, don't miss Charlie Walden's page (missourifiddling.com/LearnATune_Pages.htm) or the Missouri Traditional Fiddle and Dance Network (mofiddledance.org/, and be sure to look at "people" from the menu bar), both of which have some great *.mp3s for the listening.



Well, I've probably blathered enough already.  Given that the BHO server with tabs appears to still be down, I've made a special section near the top of my web-page (lylewk.home.comcast.net) that's titled "E-gad" and gives tabs for three E-tunes.  Right, that raises the issue of tuning.  I always tune the fifth string to G# for the key of E.  One option is to put the other strings into "Double-C" tuning and then capo at the fourth fret.  The tab I give for "Western Gem" is in that tuning.  Another option is g#BEBE tuning, which is the tuning I give for the tab for "Sebastapol Hornpipe."  And then a final option is to use f#BEAD tuning (one of the myriad "Cumberland Gap tunings"), but a note higher, so g#C#F#BE.  That's what I use for Lonnie's Tune.  If you "live" in a gDGBD world (I'm more of a gEADE type), then g#C#F#BE isn't too far away.  You just raise the 5th string a half step, lower the fourth and third strings a half step, and raise the first string a whole step.  So without further adieu, here's Stinnett playing "Lonnie's Tune" and me playing it a bit too slow (yep, still working on this one).



 




VIDEO: Lonny's tune
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VIDEO: Lonnie's Tune
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Adam Kiesling - Posted - 04/06/2012:  01:57:32



What a great tune, Lyle! I'm going to have to mess around with that tuning.



Dwight Lamb is the one who filmed those great Cyril Stinnett clips--I really wish that more of Cyril's fiddling was commercially available. As far as I know, this is the only recording out there (and it's a good one at that!).


ndlxs - Posted - 04/06/2012:  07:12:36



That's funny; Dwight Lamb must have liked the key of E on fiddle.  I had a long dragged out disagreement with a fiddler of my acquaintance as to whether his tune "Drunken Waggoner" was in D or E;  the music was in the out of print Missouri Fiddlers Repetory.  My fiddler learned it from Duck Baker, though, who got it from Art Rosenbaum who got it from Dwight, whose recording does not seem to be available.  I checked out the book from a local library: key of E, not D!


LyleK - Posted - 04/06/2012:  07:57:37



quote:


Originally posted by ndlxs


That's funny; Dwight Lamb must have liked the key of E on fiddle.  




I have to admit that I don't "get" the use of the key of E on the fiddle.  Key of C versus key of D I definitely get, as C tunes do not "lay out" well in D on the fiddle, and vice versa.  But while I can play (barely) "Lonnie's Tune" in E on the fiddle it works much better for me in D.  But I guess it comes down to familiarity, and I have as of yet to be at a jam where someone says "O.K. banjos, we're going to E" (or any key with flats in it for that matter).  Seems like we're stuck in a world with only up to three sharps.  That also says something about the deficit of rags (other than the ones stuffed behind dowel sticks) at most jams, as a lot of rags are in keys with flats.



Re: The two volumes of the "Old-Time Fiddler's Repertory."  Those were finally reissued by the University of Missouri Press in 2010.  See press.umsystem.edu/catalog/pro...x?id=1863 and the "Also of Interest" link for volume 2.


ndlxs - Posted - 04/06/2012:  09:38:41


The Key of E could also just be because perhaps those folks in Missouri play with other instruments, like Polka bands, for example. Just a thought.

It is also interesting, though, the the key of E minor, extremely common in Irish music, doesn't really make the jump to American old time fiddle. Glory in the Meeting House is all i can think of that is in E/Em.

vrteach - Posted - 04/06/2012:  10:37:14



Nice tune, and very interesting--and I look forward to giving this a try.



The only E-ish tunes that I've done anything with are the Irish things like Drowsy Maggie, but I expect that those are a different animal as they are in E-dorian. Actually, I guess Drowsy Maggie is in E-Dorian for the A part, and D in the B part.


RG - Posted - 04/06/2012:  11:43:27



Great tune & nice version!  Definitely going to work on that one, thanks for posting and also thanks for posting that great video of Cyril Stinnett...awesome!


ScottK - Posted - 04/06/2012:  11:55:52



quote:


Originally posted by LyleK



Re: The two volumes of the "Old-Time Fiddler's Repertory."  Those were finally reissued by the University of Missouri Press in 2010.  See press.umsystem.edu/catalog/pro...x?id=1863 and the "Also of Interest" link for volume 2.




Larry Warren has also posted recordings associated with Vol 1 on his slippeyr-hill web site:



slippery-hill.com/RP/ 



Larry announced it back in January on this FHO thread.



Scott


LyleK - Posted - 04/06/2012:  12:28:50



quote:


Originally posted by ScottK




Larry Warren has also posted recordings associated with Vol 1 on his slippeyr-hill web site:


slippery-hill.com/RP/ 


Larry announced it back in January on this FHO thread.



Scott






Very cool.  As I'm even worse about watching FHO than I am BHO, I had missed this.  Had also forgotten about "Ladies' Fancy" which is a really nice E tune from Vol. 1. 



And then when I went to check my website for a tab for "Ladies' Fancy" that I know I did long ago, the link was broken.  When I get home I will make amends as I know I have that tab... somewhere.


Tamarack - Posted - 04/07/2012:  07:07:57


Great tune, and doesn't appear too difficult once you get into a new tuning. Cyril Stinnett and Lonnie Robertson are new names to me.

bd - Posted - 04/09/2012:  11:58:46



Listening to the Stinnett clip a couple times I realized I recognized the tune and it took me  ahile to figure out where I had heard it before but I think this  is the same tune int heis youtube clip about 4 minutes in.



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