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budbennett - Posted - 11/21/2011: 06:33:45
it seems to me i recall seeing a website that had a large number of pick holders for sale but now i can't find that site. i had thought it was vinnie modello's site but i didn't see any there. am i mis-remembering that there was a site? if not does anyone remember what it is?
(by pick holder, i mean the metal clip like apparatus that clips onto the brackets of old tenor and/or plectrum banjos.
budbennett - Posted - 11/21/2011: 06:38:23
like this
rudykizuty - Posted - 11/21/2011: 11:24:32
Anything Grover would be old stock. Richelieu had these, but they recently went out of business. I don't know of any concern manufacturing this particular design any longer.
Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 12/01/2011: 04:46:34
Dear Bud,
I have several in stock - as new - both nickel and gold plated - and some of them engraved. All at extremely high prices.
However you don´t need one - if you have a problem dropping your pick at the floor/stage during playing - do instead learn how not to drop it! LOL!
Have you ever experienced a true pro-player dropping a pick - and having a pick holder like this attached?
Or f.ex. a device like this apparatus by Dunlop:
Polle
budbennett - Posted - 12/01/2011: 04:57:36
hi polle, i do occasionally drop a pick but not too often (my guitar player friend i play with is constantly dropping them though!). i find though that i have generally two favorite picks for each banjo and i thought it would be nice to be able to switch off more easily and that's why i was wondering about a pick holder (plus i kind of like how they look too). i have lately been using either .88mm or 1.0mm Dunlop Dultex picks plus my old standby no-name faux-tortise picks i bought a few years ago that are wearing down. i just like to switch picks occasionally while playing, i don't know why (probably a bad habit i know).
CGDA - Posted - 12/01/2011: 05:22:39
Hello everybody! This two-in-one device is also attractive (a pick holder integrated into a pickguard, by Elton).
Marco
Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 12/01/2011: 05:23:49
Bud,
- i don't know why (probably a bad habit i know)
Yes - exactly - like spelling "i" without the capital "I". LOL!
I do however like, that you are experimenting with various pick types. Only - my advice will be - experiment at home - at stage do use only ONE type of pick.
Do notice another BHO thread banjohangout.org/topic/221458 - and my postings there.
It´s maybe a little like Mrs. Bud - feel free "dreaming" about alternatives in your spare time - but do concentrate on "the-one-and-only" once the "concert" is rolling. LOL!
Polle
PS!
Any further comments about the Cryo strings? If not, I´ll shortly come up with an abstract from the report by the involved "Expert Panel".
budbennett - Posted - 12/01/2011: 05:34:52
haha! you are funny Polle!
(now over to the cryo thread- i had forgotten that)
Tinfoot - Posted - 12/01/2011: 08:32:49
My main issue is briefly putting down my pick... then having to find where I put it. Rarely do I drop a pick... especially now with grips illustrated by Polle on another thread. ^_^
I just ordered a "Wedgie Pick Holder" from Amazon.com to try it out. It is a tiny little foam wedge that fits under 3 and 2 strings on the head stock and holds 2 picks. Should be getting it tomorrow... we will see how it works out.
Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 12/01/2011: 17:03:20
Tinfoot,
A fine cure for a poor "where-did-I-put-it" memory is buying EUR 25 (USD 35) picks only - like I do. LOL!
Polle
Tinfoot - Posted - 12/01/2011: 19:11:50
Would also cure the constant asking if I have a spare pick - then the inevitable "Wandering Pocket" syndrome (which also shared by pens and lighters).
Still, what's up with a group of 3 guitarists and 1 plectrum banjo... and I'm the only one with extra picks? :P
NYCJazz - Posted - 12/01/2011: 21:28:08
quote:
Originally posted by Polle Flaunoe
Tinfoot,
A fine cure for a poor "where-did-I-put-it" memory is buying EUR 25 (USD 35) picks only - like I do. LOL!
Polle
Exactly! My pick is so expensive I haven't put it down in 15 years.
Tinfoot - Posted - 12/12/2011: 08:14:49
Just to revisit this thread with a query... Polle recommends only using ONE pick on stage - and I can follow and appreciate the inherent reasoning.
But as my -ahem- pick collection grows through at home experimentation, would using a different pick per instrument (if playing multiples) be acceptable within that dictum? One pick type sounds great on a particular plectrum, but the other sounds far better with another completely different kind of pick material and thickness (the innate sound of the two banjos are also very very different).
DanielT - Posted - 12/12/2011: 16:14:10
quote:
Originally posted by Polle Flaunoe
Yes - exactly - like spelling "i" without the capital "I". LOL!
Polle, you really shouldn't be correcting people's grammar. Why?
quote:
Originally posted by Polle Flaunoe
I do however like, that you are experimenting with various pick types. Only - my advice will be - experiment at home - at stage do use only ONE type of pick.
Because the entire next paragraph is rife with bad habits.
PS: Yes, I know English isn't your first language and of course I know you're an anarchist.
Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 12/13/2011: 04:03:42
Tinfoot,
Yes - absolutely - I do myself pick out ONE (if possible two) particular and best-suited pick for each of my instruments - I do in fact consider the pick chosen for a particular instrument as a part of this instrument.
However - do have in mind - most of my picks are hand made - they do vary somehow / much - plus I shape / sand / polish them carefully afterwards - in order bringing out the best of / for each of my instruments. Rocket science for most of you guys - Yes! - but for me a must! LOL!
So - when performing at stage or in a studio - I´ll bring with me 2-3 instruments - f.ex. a tenor banjo, a tenor guitar and / or a jazz guitar - each of these instruments will have a certain pick picked out and adjusted / adapted in advance.
Tinfoot - please have in mind, that I´m not an average player - please don´t drag me down somehow - try instead understanding and maybe learning from my approach!
Daniel,
I´m absolutely not correcting people - BTW, Bud DID understand and appreciated my joke - why are you interfering? Are you maybe a so-called "Spielverderber"?
Polle
Tinfoot - Posted - 12/13/2011: 07:08:29
" - try instead understanding and maybe learning from my approach! "
Precisely why I had asked about specific picks for specific instruments when in a formal performance setting. 
It seemed intuitive that it would be good practice, but personal intuition and actual professional practice are not oft the same as there very well may be a technical aspect that I am quite unaware of .
Anyhoo, I had have been using this now for a couple weeks: the "Wedgie Pick holder". It is quite small, 1 inch across, and a very light but very durable plastic. It has a bottom groove that slips between strings above the nut and keep it in place, and two grooves on top to hold two picks. I've traveled with both it and pick attached in a TKL case and both have stayed on without any issues. The spacing between the 2nd and 3rd string is actually too far to hold it; however I placed it between the 3rd and 4th, which firmly holds it. Not fancy in the least, but serviceable.
DanielT - Posted - 12/13/2011: 10:22:11
quote:
Originally posted by Polle Flaunoe
Daniel,
I´m absolutely not correcting people
You're not?
Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 12/14/2011: 05:44:43
Tinfoot,
Besides picking out specific picks for your various instruments - have you ever tried modifying these picks somehow yourself?
I´m from a time, when ALL master players spent several hours every week shaping, sanding, beveling, polishing etc. their favorite picks. They didn´t buy standard ready-to-use picks - they somehow "set up" their picks in the same way, as they set up their banjos. Hence my remark - for each instrument a certain pick. LOL!
Please pardon my poor English - I hope, that you´re getting my point.
Polle
CGDA - Posted - 12/17/2011: 12:10:10
Please link to this video and look at what the banjoist does when he changes from banjo to vibes and vice versa...isn't that our favorite pick holder? :o))
youtu.be/5lyB3ouPsUU
Marco
geezr - Posted - 12/17/2011: 13:07:22
Bud
I have an old Grover pick holder n good condition (worn gold plate) you can have for $25 shipping included. Email me if you are interested.
Jay
Edited by - geezr on 12/17/2011 13:09:30
Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 12/17/2011: 17:05:40
Marco,
That´s were I store my pick between tunes - in my mouth / between my lips. It then absorbs moisture which makes it non- slippery. I learned doing so 50 years ago and have never ever dropped a pick. LOL!
Polle
budbennett - Posted - 12/17/2011: 18:22:01
thanks Jay! i just emailed you.
bud
CGDA - Posted - 12/18/2011: 02:43:32
quote:
Originally posted by Polle Flaunoe
Marco,
That´s were I store my pick between tunes - in my mouth / between my lips. It then absorbs moisture which makes it non- slippery. I learned doing so 50 years ago and have never ever dropped a pick. LOL!
Polle
...Another thing we do the same way for the same reason !
Marco
Joven - Posted - 12/19/2011: 11:00:09
Polle said:
"Tinfoot - please have in mind, that I´m not an average player - please don´t drag me down somehow - try instead understanding and maybe learning from my approach!"
Polle, some people appreciate your comments, but the rest of us don't. Specially when they come as an arrogant comment, "I know more than you"
Keep your comments to yourself.. We are in this together, to help each other when asked.
Joven
Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 12/19/2011: 11:58:08
Ivan,
Based on the countless replies and especially private mails from BHO members every year it seems, that you, Daniel and a few (2-3) others do form a very limited minority at this forum.
Instead of criticizing my postings, poor English writing plus most likely "arrogant comments" (IYV) - why not come up with some interesting views / topics / threads yourself?
Merry Christmas
Polle
Joven - Posted - 12/19/2011: 12:12:12
Polle, just be kind to others. That is all.
Joven - Posted - 12/19/2011: 12:58:26
Polle,
I am not attacking you, nor trying to change you.
I notice in your comments to others that you provide advice/recommendations. With the same intention I notice that some your comments could be a bit more constructive and make that suggestion. That is all. Not intended to be attacking you they are just observations. Nobody is perfekT.
Tinfoot - Posted - 12/19/2011: 13:10:20
Oh I didn't mind at all... I just figured somehow Polle misinterpreted the sense of my question - as mentioned, I asked as I specifically wanted Polle's, and any others that deigned to reply, technical input on "professional settings" and the tools used (e.g. multiple but dedicated picks, as I often swap instruments during my own extremely casual gigs). -smiles- I am light-years from any kind of standing myself, but any little insight is a boon.
Also, I spent a career in the US Navy as a linguist, so I have a pretty fair idea of the otherwise inconsequential misunderstandings that pop up. -laughs- Oh, boy, I sure do. So no worries on my side, Polle. :)
Edited by - Tinfoot on 12/19/2011 13:10:47
RUBY2 - Posted - 12/19/2011: 13:39:37
Over the last two years or so I have had many Public and private forum posts emails and sype chats with Polle.
I have no doubt in my mind that All Polle wants to do is help others.
He has very strong views on banjo playing/setup etc, but after 50yrs of playing isn't that allowed.
Polle puts a great deal of time and effort into his answers with spread sheets etc and has without a doubt been an oracle of information.
Can we not take what we need from these posts and not get caught up in the decimation of the way the post is written.
I dont want to look as though I am
Just sticking up for Polle (I'm sure he can do that himself).
I just want to say I think Polle's comments are taken wrongly.
All the best
Richard
Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 12/20/2011: 01:45:33
Thanks guys - also for the many nice PM´s.
Polle
CGDA - Posted - 12/20/2011: 03:56:43
Hi Polle, great man & banjo expert,
I'm heartily glad that you are smiling (a lot) in spite of this unpleasing situation! :o)))
Marco
Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 12/20/2011: 04:29:31
Marco,
Thanks!
Sometimes it takes only one person tearing down in a split second, what others have spent numerous hours and efforts building up - this can be really depressing!
But - at least you and I are on the same track - I´m by the way going to record some vids within the next few weeks - they will be posted both at YouTube and here at BHO - I´m partly going to use the turtle shell pick, that you recently gave me. It does for sure fit the best of my fantastic banjos - LOL!
Polle
Rob MacKillop - Posted - 12/21/2011: 07:22:24
Polle is a character, and this place would be the sadder without him. Joven, you will just have to accept Polle for the way he is. He isn't going to change, and I for one would not want him to. Cheers, Rob (President of the Polle Flaunoe Fan Club)
CGDA - Posted - 12/21/2011: 08:48:36
quote:
Originally posted by Rob MacKillop
Polle is a character, and this place would be the sadder without him. Joven, you will just have to accept Polle for the way he is. He isn't going to change, and I for one would not want him to. Cheers, Rob (President of the Polle Flaunoe Fan Club)
Could I become a member of this Club? :o)))
Edited by - CGDA on 12/21/2011 08:51:13
budbennett - Posted - 12/21/2011: 10:48:56
I am a member of that club too!
Rob MacKillop - Posted - 12/21/2011: 11:40:26
No problem. Just send me 100 dollars each.
Tinfoot - Posted - 12/21/2011: 11:52:31
Sure! In fact, I'll just sign over my Nigerian Cashier's Check to you... ^-^
randyz714 - Posted - 12/21/2011: 12:13:14
best pick holder ive found...
Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 12/21/2011: 12:15:19
A pity, that I can´t be a member.
BUT - at the other hand - I´ll have to remember / have in mind, that I´m in fact the President of the Rob MacKillop, Marco Levi, Bud Bennett (and many more) Fan Clubs.
Thanks guys - I wish you all all the best in life
Polle
Edited by - Polle Flaunoe on 12/21/2011 12:15:58
hastyman - Posted - 12/22/2011: 12:34:25
So this might be a dumb question, but I'm fairly new to the tenor banjo and only been playing a few months. I've never felt the need for a pickholder since I can fit several between the tension hoop and the head quite nicely, I usually keep one or two stuck down there. I've never noticed a change in tone doing this, or am I missing something?
RUBY2 - Posted - 12/22/2011: 13:58:01
Very well said Rob! :-)
And so say all of us;-)
Ta
Richard
Tinfoot - Posted - 12/22/2011: 14:52:42
I assume you must be using very thin picks, Hastyman? I sure can't fit a thing between my tension hoop. :p But if you can't hear it, I wouldn't worry about it (I would expect any vibration being caused by them would be completely swallowed up anyhoo). -grins lopsidedly-
Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 12/22/2011: 18:19:47
Chris,
Yes - you´re right - have a look at this vid - Irish Style top master player Enda Scahill - youtube.com/watch?v=DTCu6WZvLc...ture=plcp
I have however heard of players perforating the head at the crown by using this method. LOL!
Polle
hastyman - Posted - 12/22/2011: 19:38:13
I do use a pretty thin pick. Usually 0.60 or 0.58 Dunlop's, although I've been considering either a blue chip of similar size. Dave Cory did let me borrow one of his picks once, which was a much thicker Wegen and I liked the control that pick offered me, however it wouldn't nestle in that space as nicely.
I would absolutely believe that Enda's picks would fit, his are paper thin. A friend of mine that I play sessions with took a class from Enda a year or so ago and noticed how thin his picks were. Probably not much of an issue since he's probably amplified most of the time and it does seem to give him some incredible speed.
geezr - Posted - 12/24/2011: 11:11:33
Rob
I think that Polle should be an honorary member of the Polle Flaunoe fan club.
Jay
