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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: TOTW: 9/9/2011: House Carpenter


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blanham - Posted - 09/08/2011:  22:14:12



House Carpenter





In my music collection I have three recording of "House Carpenter."




  • On the "Banjo Tunes and Songs" album by Pete Steele


  • On the "Watson Family" album, sung by Doc's mother


  • Played by Claire Milliner and Walt Koken on the "Just Tunes" album (as "Old True Lovers Well Met")







After hearing it on "Just Tunes," this tune became seriously stuck in my head.  Milliner's fiddle playing really brings out the haunting beauty of the melody.  Of course, there are many, many more recordings of "House Carpenter", yet no two are alike.

 



Clarence Ashley's great version is here:  ia700401.us.archive.org/34/ite...enter.mp3



While searching online, I found the mother lode of House Carpenter nuggets:  The "Old, Weird America" blog.  It's pretty much a ready-made tune-of-the-week.

Go to the bottom half of the page, and you will find "The House Carpenter Variations."  Download the variations, and you will have 17 versions of this song to listen to.


oldweirdamerica.wordpress.com/...e-ashley/



Here are some Banjo Hangout members' recordings.



The first one, by BanjoKreken and his wife, is especially pretty:



banjohangout.org/myhangout/mus...cid=16590



srselby did one that sounds like an electric banjo to me:



banjohangout.org/myhangout/mus...cid=17751



torhougen's version is very well done:



banjohangout.org/myhangout/mus...icid=9221





I'll attach my own recording, playing and singing it.  I based the melody on Milliner's fiddle, and used the lyrics from the Pete Steele version.  I used open D tuning (aDF#AD), and capo'd up to the key of F at the 3rd fret, in order to fit my low voice.  I have made a banjo tab for it, too.

 



You can't go wrong with this song; every one plays it their own unique way, so I hope to see lots of posts on this one!

Bob


 




House Carpenter Tab


House Carpenter

ScottK - Posted - 09/08/2011:  23:07:11



Hi Bob,



Great choice for TOTW!  I really like your playing and singing on this one!  It's not a song I play or sing yet, but one I've liked for a long time. 



Yet another good version on banjo is Martin Simpson's on his Kind Letters CD.   You can see him play a bit of it on this YouTube video.



Cheers, Scott


janolov - Posted - 09/09/2011:  01:10:11



I think it is a very nice tune, and I like your version. It was interesting that you have chosen the D tuning. I play it in both G tuning and sawmill.

Besides the versions already mentioned, I like Henry Reed's fiddling of House Carpenter: memory.loc.gov/ammem/collectio...itle.html or j-walk.com/henryreed.zip . He switches between modal and major in an interesting way.


riverstein - Posted - 09/09/2011:  03:08:00



Good choice. I first heard the song via Bert Jansch and John Renbourn in the 1960s. You can hear them playing it with Pentangle on YouTube, in a very cool version with banjo and sitar. Maybe somebody more technically adept than I am could post the link!



 



Edited by - riverstein on 09/09/2011 03:12:08

plunknplinkntwang - Posted - 09/09/2011:  03:31:10


This song was also "collected" by Francis J.Child as ballad #243. The full lyrics have quite a dark ending for the house carpenters wife!

There is a very nice a capella version on the 'Far in the Mountains cd #3' sung by Doug Wallin

And a very good banjo & vocals version can also be found on the 'Old Originals vol.2" Played in aEADE by Dorothy Rorick. This album isn't available via resale but can be downloaded from the old weird america blogs

hendrid - Posted - 09/09/2011:  04:25:11



This one on youtube.com has the melody clear and slow on banjo and seems to be in the key of G from watching the guitar lady's fingering. Surfing around the internet seems to show a lot of license with the wording of the lyrics. Don



youtube.com/watch?v=p0dE7R7bd8s



Edited by - hendrid on 09/09/2011 04:29:04

ramjo - Posted - 09/09/2011:  05:50:21



I really enjoyed your version Bob. Such clean, articulate playing! You sound a lot like Bruce Molsky to me. I don't have anything to add to the conversation--it's a great choice, as the others have all said--but I wanted to put up my compliments to the poster.


Trashbanjo - Posted - 09/09/2011:  07:54:25



Have you heard Natalie Merchants version?Very good also!



youtube.com/watch?v=LIQxDCRONAw


SCclawman - Posted - 09/09/2011:  08:01:37


I have loved Natalie Merchants version. That whole album is really really really good. I also liked Nickel Creek's version from their first album.

I recorded my own little version (without lyrics) when I was starting out on the banjo a few months ago. I need to go back and listen to it and see if I feel ok with posting it :).

RG - Posted - 09/09/2011:  13:47:12



Blanham-well done sir!  Great version of a truly great ballad...nice pick!



I still think the definitive vocal version is Jean Ritchie's on her "Ballads" CD...I've enclosed the link below, download the .pdf file and read the blurb about this song, very interesting story and history about how this tune has changed considerably from its' origins...



folkways.si.edu/albumdetails.a...emid=2969



 



 


Bisbonian - Posted - 09/09/2011:  20:04:41



Great pick!  I'm pretty fanatical about Harry Smith's Anthology of American Folk Music, and of Clarence Ashley, and this is one of my favorites.  The Jean Ritchie and Natalie Merchant versions are wonderful, too, and Bob Dylan did an outstanding one...more true to the older versions of the English ballad than some of the American adaptations.  One of these days, I am going to do a bunch of these...when I figure out how to sing and play at the same time.


Marc Nerenberg - Posted - 09/09/2011:  20:20:41



A really terrific TotW! Some really fine versions there - including your own. Thanks for this .


TOTW - Posted - 09/10/2011:  13:01:30



Here's a .rar of 13 variations on The House Carpenter: megaupload.com/?d=0PDYH0HK



 



Contains: Almeda Riddle, Bradley Kincaid, Clarence Ashley, Ernie Carpenter, Hedy West, Jean Ritchie & Doc Watson, Peggy Seeger, Rebecca King Jones, Texas Gladden, Doc Watson Family, Tom Brad & Alice, Tony Rice



 



 


ramjo - Posted - 09/10/2011:  15:05:52



TOTW, these are some fine perfomances. Thank you. (Tony Rice! Man, aren't we worse off without his singing? Jean Ritche and Doc! Wow!) I looked at my collection and found another recording that's not been listed yet--Dave van Ronk (on "Inside Dave Van Ronk)--his inimitable voice accompanied by mountain dulcimer.



Edited by - ramjo on 09/10/2011 15:07:03

wgoehrin - Posted - 09/10/2011:  16:25:47



Great tune! 



 



Elizabeth LaPrelle sings a wonderful version on one of her albums. Here it is live: 



youtube.com/watch?v=f48Go7AZdFU



 



 


majikgator - Posted - 09/11/2011:  09:15:17



i'm surprised this one wasn't mentioned or i didn't notice it, This isby far the first version i heard (35+ yrsago), i think from their Cruel Sisters album but i may be wrong on that. This is a very old song youtube.com/watch?v=-4jXfMEu1YY . i always have been partial to it. NIckel Creek did and interesting version as well, maybe someone mentioned it, my brain is still out of gear from Stephen Foster Old Time Music Weekend, just got home.



Edited by - majikgator on 09/11/2011 09:16:48

majikgator - Posted - 09/11/2011:  11:07:44



Good job on your take on this one Bob, i would not have thought of doing it like that, probably due to the way i was introduced to the tune. Very interesting i like it. Banjo works very well with this song to be sure, in a variety of styles as well. A classic if you will.


riverstein - Posted - 09/11/2011:  12:27:32



quote:


Originally posted by majikgator




i'm surprised this one wasn't mentioned or i didn't notice it, This isby far the first version i heard (35+ yrsago), i think from their Cruel Sisters album but i may be wrong on that.






 It's on their "Basket Of Light" album. The Pentangle version was mentioned earlier in the thread ;-). I love the banjo/sitar combination. And the singing of Jacqui McShee and Bert Jansch. And Danny Thompson's great bass...And Terry Cox's deft drumming.   


blanham - Posted - 09/11/2011:  14:58:27



Keep 'em coming, and thanks for all the comments so far.  I agree that the Jean Ritchie solo vocal probably can't be topped.  I'm glad Dorothy Rorick and Elizabeth LaPrelle were mentioned; those are 2 excellent versions.


majikgator - Posted - 09/11/2011:  16:59:30



"And Danny Thompson's great bass...And Terry Cox's deft drumming " , You got that right wild how a jazz bas player and drums can fit in there as well. i wouldn't mind playing with a drummer if they could be as lyrical as that. Danny Thompson has pretty much played bass with everybody in the British folk music scene it seems.



Sorry for the digression from the song but nice to hear someone else that liked that great band. i don't know if Anne Briggs ever sang this great song but if she recorded it i will find it.



Here is a good link for this song informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zie...over.html  lots of details.


banjoike - Posted - 09/11/2011:  19:06:50



Well done Bob!  


Julian44_4 - Posted - 09/11/2011:  23:15:14



A few more versions.



Clive Palmer on Just Me, Andrew King on Bitter Harvest, Shiftless Rounders on Places, Mammals on Evolver, Kelly Joe Phelps on Shine Eyed Mr. Zen.


Julian44_4 - Posted - 09/12/2011:  01:59:35



Shiftless Rounders  youtube.com/watch?v=JrY42LdFkXw



Joan Baez   youtube.com/watch?v=1VzGibeTuGs



Nickle Creek  youtube.com/watch?v=xVNMEwUd76Y



Mr Fox  youtube.com/watch?v=8eQWPDW5QI0



Faun Fables youtube.com/watch?v=kPuj6h9DDUg



Lindsay Caldwell youtube.com/watch?v=1LEUjwm1tO...e=related



Gabrielle Louise and David Rynhart   youtube.com/watch?v=aJCDL-A_Sk...e=related



​Cara  youtube.com/watch?v=nFZljogdOs...e=related



​Reed Martin youtube.com/watch?v=jg8q_NYDSXo



​Alpaca Jamboree youtube.com/watch?v=u8btl2IR1D8



​Buffy Sainte Marie  youtube.com/watch?v=Ko4OL6SHipk



​Pete Seeger  youtube.com/watch?v=gvCxUGvcva8



Moor of Dundee  youtube.com/watch?v=10LuOrPtAVY



Runa  youtube.com/watch?v=ry9salbsitE



Walker and Jay  youtube.com/watch?v=-Om7DR9jdUo



Elizabeth Laprelle   youtube.com/watch?v=f48Go7AZdFU



Ryan Bundy   youtube.com/watch?v=3jH24YrQumw



Tom Dale   youtube.com/watch?v=oHYv0-N6BEA



Noah Earle   youtube.com/watch?v=2jQughnBu2Q



Jolene and Joe   youtube.com/watch?v=vgbEspVcCiU



Micklegate Singers  youtube.com/watch?v=rMvcuZnM9F4



​Dr Nick and Slava  youtube.com/watch?v=xMUmwB8uC1Q



Det Blev Handgemäng   youtube.com/watch?v=0MUS7UtvX5c



 



Edited by - Julian44_4 on 09/12/2011 02:00:28

Julian44_4 - Posted - 09/12/2011:  05:03:28



Tab  clawhammerbanjotab.co.uk/page2...ge37.html


blanham - Posted - 09/13/2011:  04:11:35



Thanks for all the links, Julian.



Never heard of Ryan Bundy before, but he does a jam-up job on HC.


majikgator - Posted - 09/13/2011:  09:09:16



i was pretty impressed with the Ryan Bundy video as well very solid performance.


bbrat - Posted - 09/13/2011:  09:37:25


The Irish band, Dervish, does a nice version of the song under the name "The Banks of the Sweet Viledee". No banjo, but good vocal and ensemble instrumentation.

majikgator - Posted - 09/15/2011:  08:49:07



Yet one more link, no banjo but printed lyrics and an mp3 of Mary Smith, guitar and vocal chivalry.com/cantaria/lyrics/h...nter.html  Looks like the site may be interesting in general


Don Borchelt - Posted - 09/15/2011:  19:17:51



Okay, I'm just coming in under the wire, I still have an hour and forty-five minutes to go before the week is up.  I worked this up years ago, and it has taken me all week to dust it off and memorize enough verses to be respectable.  Blanham, I love your version.  A great choice, probably my favorite ballad.  An oft-told tale.



Edited by - Don Borchelt on 09/15/2011 19:18:46



VIDEO: The House Carpenter
(click to view)

   

blanham - Posted - 09/15/2011:  19:34:53



Very fine picking, very fine singing, Don!  Thanks for your contribution, and the compliment means a LOT coming from you.


Don Borchelt - Posted - 09/15/2011:  19:42:35



blanham wrote: "Very fine picking, very fine singing, Don."



I appreciate the compliment, but honestly, I'm not too happy with my singing, but at least I remembered all the words this time, sort of.  Sometimes you just have to step up and be a man and sing, regardless of the consequences.



Edited by - Don Borchelt on 09/15/2011 19:44:20

majikgator - Posted - 09/18/2011:  18:37:59



Great job Don and some birds eye view camera work there, almost all singers i know don't like their own singing so you're in good company. Sounds fine to me and great banjo as usual.


skiptomylou - Posted - 09/19/2011:  15:31:02


Wow..that's beautiful Don - lovely haunting picking and I really like your voice- I think it has a really nice tone actually.
I'm having a go at this too, first time I've ever tackled tune of the week - it'll take me a bit longer than a week to learn mind you - I'm late already. What I've loved is hearing all the different wonderful versions by bho members and various artists on youtube - what an education! A magical song - and great how everyone brings their own special feel to each version.
Jill

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