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RUSTYSTILL - Posted - 05/29/2011:  11:22:10



I'm putting a skin head on my old banjo and was wondering if anyone can recommend a good source for flesh rings? The old head was a weather king drum head type and there was no hoop to hold the skin under the tension hoop.



Also, is there any preference for material that could affect the quality of sound or other function?Thanks,



Jim



'09 Fairbanks Whyte Laydie



2008 Deering Calico


Klondike Waldo - Posted - 05/29/2011:  11:35:27



What size do you need?  I have a brass flesh hoop (square in cross-section) from an old Vega Banjo-mandolin I restored for someone. The owner wanted a modern head on it, so had no use for the flesh hoop. It should fit a 10 3/4" pot, I believe.  Neither of my banjos are that size, so I'll be wiling to part with it.


rcmoore - Posted - 05/29/2011:  11:57:22



This search of Banjo Hangout should answer your question.

Bob Moore



banjohangout.org/pages/search....hoop#1263


WH Mayo - Posted - 05/29/2011:  12:51:08



Here's one spot:



banjoseen.us/Store/index.html


banjonz - Posted - 05/29/2011:  13:41:15



Could I recommend 1/8" PVC welding rod. I have used this on a couple of banjos when I couldn't get the right sized metal hoops or the existing one was so tight that I couldn't fit the replacement head on it. PVC had the bonus of being flexible and I can use masking tape to join the two ends together. Don't try and join the ends by melting them. It doesn't work too well.


RUSTYSTILL - Posted - 05/29/2011:  14:22:25



Thanks for the info, folks.  One question, other than ease of installation, what difference in sound might occur with a pre mounted skin head VS one I would soak and mount myself? 



Jim


Ron Ortegel - Posted - 05/29/2011:  14:49:04



Putting a skin head on a flesh hoop is not hard, but there is s learning curve  and your first one might not come out that great.



Bill Miller sells pre-mounted skins that are easy to install and are a good value. On the other hand learning to mount a skin is a good thing too.


SFI - Posted - 05/29/2011:  15:31:15



You didn't mention the size you need. I have many 10-15/16" square brass flesh hoops for sale at $5 each. I do have a few other sizes too.


oldwoodchuckb - Posted - 05/29/2011:  15:44:16



I just actually saw my first Bill Miller pre-mounted skin on a banjo a week ago. I figured from everything I read that they would be a quality item and now I have proof. I'm still not ready to take that particular plunge - but maybe once I have enough banjos again I'll have skins on some. My only current 5 string skin head is my avatar Jackie-O, and her hooks are so metal-fatigued I leave the head loose all year - making her playable only in the middle of winter when the furnace is always on and in the middle of summer when the AC is always on.



Edited by - oldwoodchuckb on 05/29/2011 15:48:17



Jackie O


J.B. Schall circa 1893

DEmery - Posted - 05/29/2011:  18:11:13



John Balch has commented on flesh hoops many times on BHO. He will see this thread from my comment but if you want to contact him just look him up under the members list and drop a note. He is a wealth of information and regardless of the size or shape of hoop you want he can point you in the right direction. David E.



Edited by - DEmery on 05/29/2011 18:12:50

Klondike Waldo - Posted - 05/30/2011:  03:59:59



quote:


Originally posted by banjonz




Could I recommend 1/8" PVC welding rod. I have used this on a couple of banjos when I couldn't get the right sized metal hoops or the existing one was so tight that I couldn't fit the replacement head on it. PVC had the bonus of being flexible and I can use masking tape to join the two ends together. Don't try and join the ends by melting them. It doesn't work too well.






Would PVC cement work?


RUSTYSTILL - Posted - 05/30/2011:  06:07:43



When measuring a banjo head, from where to where am I measuring, the outside diameter of the pot? Thanks,



 



Jim


jbalch - Posted - 05/30/2011:  06:33:27



I like the type made of 1/8" square brass stock.  That was the preferred type flesh hoop on many of the better-grade banjos from the 1920s and 30's I've seen examples from some of my B&D banjos what were rolled to size, brazed at the joint, and even nickel plated. Many other materials will work.  But these are the best IMHO.



Bill Miller makes excellent flesh hoops in standard sizes.  He uses 1/8" square stock and brazes them at the joint. His hoops are a great value when you consider what goes into making them too.



A few years ago, I began mounting enough heads that I decided to set-up to make my own hoops.  I bought a (used) ring roller:



harborfreight.com/gear-driven-...6790.html



Ordered brass stock (4 foot length will accommodate 11" or 12" rims):



onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?...op_cat=79



I roll my hoops to match the diameter of the tension hoop on whatever banjo I'm re-skinning.  That insures a secure mount without the possibility of the hoop collapsing and pulling up.  Old banjos come in so many different sizes.  It is an advantage to be able to custom-fit the flesh hoop to each particular rim.  I cut them to length and secure the ends with strong packing tape.  The tape is plenty strong enough to hold the hoop together for mounting.  Once the hide is installed...it is not going anywhere.  I've seen lots of vintage heads where the ends of the hoop were not joined at all.  In fact I've seen several where the ends of the flesh hoop did not even touch...leaving a gap of as much as 1/2".  One more detail, I finish the hoop by smoothing the edges with with a fine grain sandpaper.  Slightly ease the sharp edges all around prevents the hoop from cutting the hide under high tension. 



With an investment of about $100, I am set-up to produce flesh hoops at a cost of about $4 to $5 each. I mount eight or ten hides a year for myself and others.  So this has been a good investment.



I'm linking this discussion to the Hide Heads group. banjohangout.org/group/hideheads



Best Wishes!



 



 



 



 



 



 


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