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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Old Joe Clark asks, "Can clawhammer and 3-finger co-exist? "


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WildJimbo - Posted - 04/30/2011:  08:56:57



Been a while since I've visited... 



Thought I should share something.  blush



I recorded all 3 parts on my Nechville Phantom.



 



 




Old Joe Clark

   

Ks_5-picker - Posted - 04/30/2011:  09:32:43



"NIce"ly done,Jim......They sure can co'exist. However,I've never run into a clawhammer player who acted like they wanted to pick with me. I don't think I try to drown anybody out. 


Moore.music - Posted - 04/30/2011:  10:57:28



Hi Guys



 



Just come back from SFSS in UK where Bob Carlin and Tony Trischka were both teaching. In the concerts these guys played together and it worked really really well. A joy to behold.



 



Nigel


Guy - Posted - 04/30/2011:  12:37:12



Pete Stanley,



a highly respected British banjo player and one of the first people to pioneer bluegrass banjo in the UK, plays 3 finger style with his fingernails, what's more, he's darn good at it, he's also a mean clawhammer player and banjo historian. Because he doesn't use picks he's able to switch between the two styles with ease.



I think you've got to have super hard nails to get away with it. smiley



I also don't see any reason for not having the two styles sharing a stage or recording. Scruggs and McEuan did it with Soldiers Joy on Nitty Gritty Dirt Band's "Will the Circle" triple album. I love clawhammer and I'm intent on learning it one day...



Guy


yopasjim - Posted - 04/30/2011:  13:38:33



WOW!  Nice job!


millennium3 - Posted - 04/30/2011:  13:47:13



Another Wow from me. Very nicely done!   Crutch


WildJimbo - Posted - 04/30/2011:  14:56:47



Thanks all!



 



Also worth noting, although I did point it out - I did all the tracks with my Nechville Phantom.... meaning the clawhammer portion is done with a resonator banjo.  



I made every effort to get everything to blend, but also have some distinct separation too.  Using the same banjo really helped!


RatLer - Posted - 04/30/2011:  15:49:42



The 3-finger pickers I've played CH with never minded. I always felt the two styles blended very nice. Jim, you've done a fantastic job!!!


jen h - Posted - 04/30/2011:  17:39:02



Always a joy to hear you pick, Jim! smiley


Paul Roberts - Posted - 04/30/2011:  19:38:55



1. superbly played



2. this one's got a lot of movement to it; it's moving all over the place, in an almost low-down boogie woogie sense.



3. very moody; swamp bluesy; lots of African American presence; an integrated atmosphere across all the parts.


michael6 - Posted - 04/30/2011:  20:56:02



Very nice!


rgoad - Posted - 05/01/2011:  07:28:28



Nice playing, Jim.  Here is another example of the two styles as 'voices'.  My instructor will often accompany me in three finger style while I play the clawhammer style.  That is the kind of thing that makes life worth living.


salvatone - Posted - 05/01/2011:  09:28:50



Nice groove Jim.



 


WildJimbo - Posted - 05/01/2011:  20:04:16



Thanks all.



I should probably qualify that I never doubted it could work.  While it can work nicely (as I think I demonstrated) it's not something that just works automatically.  It does require some thought to make the two styles work together without getting in the way of what each banjo is doing.  In other words, it's very easy to do it badly.



At Kaufman's Kamp last year Casey Henry asked me to do a Clawhammer/3-Finger duet with her during her show.  Sure wish someone would cough up a video of that because I think it came off quite nicely.


Laurence Diehl - Posted - 05/02/2011:  08:37:24



That's got to be one of (or maybe THE) best version of OJC I have heard. Lots of drive and character - you captured the best of both styles there, really bringing that old horse to life. Okay - I am going to play it again nowsmiley



Laurence


WildJimbo - Posted - 05/02/2011:  10:21:48



quote:


Originally posted by Laurence Diehl




That's got to be one of (or maybe THE) best version of OJC I have heard. Lots of drive and character - you captured the best of both styles there, really bringing that old horse to life. Okay - I am going to play it again nowsmiley



Laurence






Too kind.  Thanks.  


Barnet in SoCal - Posted - 05/02/2011:  12:33:29



Killer cool.... love it.


Kurt Kemp - Posted - 05/03/2011:  03:08:07



That was awesome. A real toe tapper with a little sway to it. Loved it!


Frailblazer - Posted - 05/03/2011:  05:00:51



Terrific Jim! Great drive and bounce.



- Ric


dunaif - Posted - 05/03/2011:  14:52:52



Really nice job, Jim. The 2 styles really go well together in this tune.


Mark Johnson - Posted - 05/03/2011:  14:59:53



rocking, or rockin' as maybe it should be.  seriously, that was intense!  well played, arranged, recorded, etc.  


WildJimbo - Posted - 05/03/2011:  19:39:08



quote:


Originally posted by Mark Johnson




 seriously, that was intense!






I found that it all came together on it's own.  Tried adding guitar, but it was just too busy.  So I wound up just adding a vamped banjo backup.  That seemed to make it all gel.



Intense... yeah, I think it turned out that way.  Honestly, it's one of a very few tunes I've recorded that I will listen to.  



 



-=Jim


peter somerville - Posted - 05/04/2011:  05:50:05



it sounds great ! and has everyone on hangout listened to Ed Britt and Don Borchelt - fantastic stuff with the 2 styles


Lumpy - Posted - 05/04/2011:  11:40:12



Really nice rendition, Jimbo. Love the sound of your banjo too. Thanks.


WildJimbo - Posted - 05/05/2011:  06:50:41



quote:


Originally posted by Lumpy




 Love the sound of your banjo too. 






I really can't say enough good things about the Nechville.  It's extremely versatile!  Thanks!


HoosierGal - Posted - 06/26/2011:  14:31:28



quote:


Originally posted by WildJimbo




Been a while since I've visited... 



Thought I should share something.  blush



I recorded all 3 parts on my Nechville Phantom.



 



 Gasp! Deviance!!! :-) I'm so proud.. 'sniff' lol






 


Banjophobic - Posted - 06/28/2011:  14:21:21



That was a 'nice' version Jim.cool


HoosierGal - Posted - 08/09/2011:  20:33:00


Yeah.. Nice.. I remember that word.

Paul Roberts - Posted - 08/10/2011:  09:38:17



I just listened to this again in headphones a couple times. It's a thoroughly integrated, well-crafted and creative approach to an old classic that helped introduce most of us to the banjo in the first place. So much for the old saying, "it's been done to death." If Old Joe needed to be brought back to life, this great rendition certainly does the trick.



PauL


erikforgod - Posted - 08/10/2011:  09:39:40


Why not?

Westvon - Posted - 10/26/2011:  13:55:25



This is one of my favorite clips showing a great combo of 3 finger style and clawhammer.  Sammy Shelor and guest playing their renditions of Angeline the Baker.



 



youtube.com/watch?v=s0BcfHZW5CQ



Edited by - Westvon on 10/26/2011 13:57:27

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