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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: TOTW 7.9.2010: Woodchopper's Reel


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mikey5string - Posted - 07/08/2010:  16:17:53


First heard this one as "Woodchoppers Breakdown" on Hamilton Ironworks.

amazon.com/Hamilton-Ironworks-...00005NNKU

Havent heard much of it except that and then Fralin posted a video of it...

its a great tune and since i cant find too much of it on the web I guess I would classify it as somewhat rare. I think its a great tune though and hope to see it gain some popularity.

youtube.com/watch?v=R898L2Ia_jE

I couldnt find a tab so i learned it by ear and using the sheetmusic and ABC

here:

thesession.org/tunes/display/946

how to read ABC notation:

abcnotation.com/blog/2010/01/3...e-basics/

here is a great version on the hangout:

banjohangout.org/myhangout/mus...icid=1314

I havent been playing it much but since my TOTW came up i decided on this one. I recorded it but its HOT in here and its a little rusty.

banjohangout.org/myhangout/mus...sp?id=303

its in D (double C tuning capo 2)

EDIT TAB ADDED

Castiana posted a nice tab of the tune that I feel I should include up here.

hangoutstorage.com/banjohangou...72010.pdf


Edited by - mikey5string on 07/09/2010 06:00:49

tomberghan - Posted - 07/08/2010:  17:00:52


Great tune thanks!
And thanks for posting the music from the "thesession." I am learning it now.

Also . . . I have to say . . . John Hartford was a freakin' GREAT fiddler (as well as banjoist) . . . he played with character, color, dynamics, humor . . . on and on!

Also, I loved hearing Craig's band. What a hot little ensemble!

Thanks Mike!

ScottK - Posted - 07/08/2010:  17:07:07


Hey Mike, you don't sound rusty to me at all! Your recording sounds great! Good tune choice!

Scott

ramjo - Posted - 07/08/2010:  17:08:06


Yes, yes, and yes to what Tom said. 1)Great tune. 2)John Hartford: [head bowed way down low]. 3)Craig Frailin'--great group, great performance (and Craig, that's dang fine playing!). Also I'd give a shout out to mikey5's other find--JohnD. Do yourself a favor and listen to the tunes he's posted on his home page. I find his playing exceptional on a wide range of stuff.

Banjowik - Posted - 07/08/2010:  17:35:09


Crikey, Mikey great tune! Gotta learn this one

Can I just put this out there for those keen to help the beginners? A tab for this would help a great deal and I know its probably time consuming but if anyone has some spare time could they have a crack at it? It would be most appreciated!! Alternatively a brief explaination of how to read the ABC notation may allow me to work it out myself.

mikey5string - Posted - 07/08/2010:  17:56:24


Thanks everyone~! glad you like it. now learn it and post it!! :)

Hey banjowick.

ABC notation is great if you know (or can figure out) where the notes are on the fingerboard.

Basically its: the capital letters are the low notes and the lowercase the high notes.

check this out

abcnotation.com/

once you get the hang of it, it opens up a lot of doors. there are a ton of trad irish tunes in ABC.
i think its better than tab in the way that it gets you making a connection between where all the notes are on the fretboard.

youll find that youll have to make some concessions (leaving notes out etc) to make it work clawhammer style but youll end up with an arrangement all your own!


Edited by - mikey5string on 07/08/2010 17:57:08

ramjo - Posted - 07/08/2010:  18:11:06


Be sure to check out Mikey5strig's home page where you can find his excellent version. He didn't include the link in his original post, and I missed his playing at first.

mikey5string - Posted - 07/08/2010:  18:13:55


i must add that anyone who doesnt have Hamilton Ironworks needs to get it. now.

ps

thank you mr ramjo! i have been spending a lot of time with my other mistress lately but everytime i take out the open back i forget how much i love her too....


Edited by - mikey5string on 07/08/2010 18:17:21

Castania - Posted - 07/09/2010:  02:16:29


Regarding ABC notation: guys there are several programs out there that will create a standard music score from an ABC formatted file. In Linux, there is abcm2ps (the one I use), but there are others . . . and there are programs to convert the ABC file into a midi file, and a midi file to an ABC file . . . and most of them are free.

Since I don't do Mac and (as little as possible) Windows, I'm a bit short on info, but a good place to start is

abc.sourceforge.net/abcMIDI/

Ken


Castania - Posted - 07/09/2010:  04:30:53


quote:
Originally posted by Banjowik

Crikey, Mikey great tune! Gotta learn this one

Can I just put this out there for those keen to help the beginners? A tab for this would help a great deal and I know its probably time consuming but if anyone has some spare time could they have a crack at it? It would be most appreciated!! Alternatively a brief explaination of how to read the ABC notation may allow me to work it out myself.



Try this Banjowik: hangoutstorage.com/banjohangou...72010.pdf

hangoutstorage.com/banjohangou...72010.pdf

I combined elements of several different recordings here, so this is definitely meant as a beginning for your own exploration of the tune. There are several places where alternate figures could be used; some of these may be easier or more natural to your ear/hands--so by all means, experiment.

Good luck.

Ken


Edited by - Castania on 07/10/2010 20:02:31

mojo_monk - Posted - 07/09/2010:  05:22:46


Nice choice!

This tune was collected in Illinois back in the late '70s under the title "Soldier's Hornpipe" from a fella named Jesse James Abbott out of a small town called Toledo. Here's me playing it a few years ago: tinyurl.com/2gyq4jo.

Also, here's left handed, over the bass fiddle monster Cyril Stinnett playing it back in 1979 (filmed by Dwight Lamb): youtube.com/watch?v=LWxx43Z9ZBk.


-Sean
2ftlbanjer.wordpress.com/

mikey5string - Posted - 07/09/2010:  06:03:37


Thanks for the tab Castania, I added it up on the original post.

I like this tune because it is very melodic (esp the A part) but it still moves (especially the B part).

The B part has a lot of room for "improv"

mojo,
nice!

mikeyes - Posted - 07/09/2010:  07:14:49


The first part of this tune is also the first part of the Belfast Hornpipe, an Irish trad tune.

Woodchoppers sound good when played in the Irish fashion too. (archive.banjosessions.com/jun0...pers.html)

Mike

LyleK - Posted - 07/09/2010:  09:40:43


Nice versions all around! I had stumbled across this one on two occasions. Once in a jam where I was able to play something that was moderately simpatico, but probably wouldn't have been recognizable on its own. Then I also saw it in Christeson's first volume of the "Old-Time Fiddler's Repertory" (which thankfully has been reissued by U Missouri Press). I gave it a stab... but it bled. The version there was from Bob Walters. Before seeing Ken's post I wrote a tab of this version , which can be had at banjohangout.org/tab/browse.as...r&v=14624 . Then after some sleuthing I came across Charlie Walden's transcription of Cyril Stinnett's version at "Learn a Missouri Tune" ( missourifiddling.com/LearnATune_Pages.htm ). That version's been working better for me, so I've also put a tab for this on my tab page. I'll see if I can post an *.mp3 of that soon, but currently it is tooooo ssslllooowww to qualify as a reel. How does JohnD do it?

P.S. - Definitely have a look around Walden's site. Lots of music (and mando tabs) for those as can read it, and lots of *.mp3s under "The Project." And drats, I forgot an important point for this thread. Don Borchelt has a melodic 3-finger tab for Woodchopper's Reel at: banjr.com/tablatures.htm


Edited by - LyleK on 07/09/2010 09:45:35

tomberghan - Posted - 07/09/2010:  18:17:04


quote:
Originally posted by Castania

[quote]
Try this Banjowik: hangoutstorage.com/banjohangou...72010.pdf

I combined elements of several different recordings here, so this is definitely meant as a beginning for your own exploration of the tune. There are several places where alternate figures could be used; some of these may be easier or more natural to your ear/hands--so by all means, experiment.
Good luck.
Ken



Ken,
That is a very nice arrangement!

Thank you friend,
Tom

jojo25 - Posted - 07/09/2010:  19:28:25


nice choice for TOTW...I love to play this tune with a fiddler and I concur with those urging folks to get and listen to Hamilton Ironworks...John Hartford's fiddle style was unique, IMHO, and not everyone takes to it, but I have...and I love the stories he wove into the tunes...though someone recently alleged to me that at least one of John's stories might be part tall tale...never let the truth get in the way of good story, right?

I've always found this to be one notey puppy of a tune for solo banjo...I strongly prefer to play it with a fiddler

but I'll give it another solo shot

Castania - Posted - 07/10/2010:  06:33:01


I re-posted that tab I put up -- after noodling about with it, a couple a "better" fingerings came to mind.

By way of tribute to John Hartford . . . over the years, any time I came across something of his, I bought it. Hamilton Ironworks is no exception -- it's a must have IMHO. Another must have is his collaboration with Bob Carlin -- ". . . Open Discussion."

And, just want to add -- TOTW is consistently one of my top favorite threads on BHO: thanks to Mike and all the past contributors.

Ken

Bisbonian - Posted - 07/10/2010:  08:43:11


I love this song, first heard it on Hamilton Ironworks years ago, then saw Frailin's video and fell in love all over again. Castania, everyone says you have posted a wonderful arrangement, and I am sure you have...but none of the links work for me. Has it moved?

Banjowik - Posted - 07/10/2010:  17:26:37



Thanks for the tips guys!! Most helpful however like Bisbonian says the link to castania's tab seems to be broken all I get is a message saying "cant find the page"???

tomberghan - Posted - 07/10/2010:  18:47:15


quote:
Originally posted by Banjowik


Thanks for the tips guys!! Most helpful however like Bisbonian says the link to castania's tab seems to be broken all I get is a message saying "cant find the page"???



Yeah, it is really pretty! Here you go:
hangoutstorage.com/banjohangou...72010.pdf

(double-C or double-D tuning by the way)


Edited by - tomberghan on 07/10/2010 18:48:29

Banjowik - Posted - 07/10/2010:  19:59:10


Thanks Tom that link worked!!
Now to get to work. A lovely project for a pleasant Sunday afternnoon!

Castania - Posted - 07/10/2010:  20:04:13


Sorry In editing the old file, the previous link was updated. I'll leave it alone from now on.

Thanks

Ken

Banjowik - Posted - 07/12/2010:  16:49:02


Thanks for the replies and help with the tabs for this tune. Its a bit of a tricky tune to learn. I need a recording that is a bit slower than the ones posted in the thread, the notes on the page seem to blur when I try to follow them whilst listening.
May need to shelve this one for a while until I source a slower version.

Castania: thanks for the Tab and the tips

Craig: what a cracking jam that must've been, your take on the tune is superb

Mikey: top knotch and the tempo was the best for trying to learn it

JohnD: Once again your dextrous fingers impressed me no end!

LyleK - Posted - 07/14/2010:  17:24:42


Finally got a version recorded that is passable. I played it through slowly one time, but did it syncopated (sort of "hornpipey"). And then through twice as a reel. This is the Cyril Stinnett version which I tabbed on my BHO page. The *.mp3 is at:

banjohangout.org/myhangout/mus...cid=17857

ELWOOD - Posted - 07/14/2010:  17:32:07


Huge amount of info and examples here . This is such a great Resource

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