mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 09/06/2018:  21:06:57

Pretty slow in the theory forum so here's a puzzler. How do I use this chart in my teaching of the 5 string?

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I've changed the the key of the circle to G by adding an F# so it becomes more in sync with a 5 string banjo.

Edited by - mmuussiiccaall on 09/07/2018 05:33:09

F#

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Mooooo - Posted - 09/06/2018:  21:24:55

To teach the staff with the treble clef on it?

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 09/06/2018:  21:40:02

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Originally posted by Mooooo

To teach the staff with the treble clef on it?

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Mike this does spell out the note names for the lines or spaces of the staff but that is not where I go with this, regards, Rick

DiddyBum - Posted - 09/06/2018:  22:30:51

Circle of 3rds, I guess...

jazz-phil - Posted - 09/06/2018:  23:59:05

It's an explanation of harmonising the C scale ie. how to build the usable chords derived from the C scale.



Starting at C and reading clockwise, one letter at a time, it spells out the chord tones 3 (or 4) letters at a time. So reading round you get the notes for C Em G Bdim (Bm flat 5) Dm F Am. Adding the 4th note adds the 7th / maj7.



It also explains the close relationship between different chords.

Edited by - jazz-phil on 09/07/2018 00:01:41

Texasbanjo - Posted - 09/07/2018:  04:53:41

One way to use it is to figure out the 1, 3, 5 chords in any major key, starting from the right hand side of the circle and going counter-clockwise, C, E, G are the 1, 3, 5 chords to the C scale, moving down one letter, E, G, B are the 1, 3, 5 chords of the E scale and so on. It's similar to the circle of 5ths except it's the circle of 3rds.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 09/07/2018:  04:59:06

quote:Originally posted by DiddyBum

Circle of 3rds, I guess...

That's right but some are major thirds and some are minor thirds so it's use is limited. Thanks, Rick

Edited by - mmuussiiccaall on 09/07/2018 04:59:59

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 09/07/2018:  05:23:18

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Originally posted by Texasbanjo

One way to use it is to figure out the 1, 3, 5 chords in any major key, starting from the right hand side of the circle and going counter-clockwise, C, E, G are the 1, 3, 5 chords to the C scale, moving down one letter, E, G, B are the 1, 3, 5 chords of the E scale and so on. It's similar to the circle of 5ths except it's the circle of 3rds.

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Yep Sherry but still the major thirds and minor thirds irregularity, regards Rick

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 09/07/2018:  05:38:06

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Originally posted by jazz-phil

It's an explanation of harmonising the C scale ie. how to build the usable chords derived from the C scale.



Starting at C and reading clockwise, one letter at a time, it spells out the chord tones 3 (or 4) letters at a time. So reading round you get the notes for C Em G Bdim (Bm flat 5) Dm F Am. Adding the 4th note adds the 7th / maj7.



It also explains the close relationship between different chords.

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Phil you are absolutely correct and on the right path for my use of this chart, thanks Rick

Old Hickory - Posted - 09/07/2018:  07:50:51

It teaches both the notes of the major scale and the chords of the harmonized scale. But only one major and minor scale per chart.

For whichever scale the circle supports, start on the first note - G, for example. The notes of a 4-note G Maj 7 chord, as described before, will be spelled out clockwise, ending with F#. The next note on the circle after F# is A, the second note of the G scale. Its minor 7 chord is then spelled out clockwise, ending with G. The next note on the circle is B, the third note of the scale and so on.

If you just want to spell out triads, skip the 4th note of the chord to go to he next note of the scale.

If you just want the scale, start at G and go to the note most directly across from it, A. Then the one most directly across from that, B, and so on.

Mooooo - Posted - 09/07/2018:  09:50:19

You save a lot of ink doing it in a circle like that rick - it's a very clever circle, I usually write out the notes in a single line and repeat them to get all the notes of the extended chords CDEFGABCDEFGABC or GABCDEF#GABCDEF#G, etc...it serves the same purpose, just start on one note and pick every other note in the scale to get the harmonized scale. Interesting extended Jazz chords come up in the Melodic Minor scale and Harmonic Minor scale...any scale comes up with chords, but some of these chords sound like dog poop - try harmonizing the Pentatonic Scale. Harmonizing the Diminished Scale is fun, as is the augmented scale.

Now I am wondering what else you are using it for.

Edited by - Mooooo on 09/07/2018 10:01:51

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 09/07/2018:  11:40:30

Yes, yes, yes! And now how would the F# version be applied to this post of a few days ago?

banjohangout.org/topic/345588/

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 09/07/2018:  11:49:45

I think the title of the thread says it all . . .