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OleRed - Posted - 06/19/2011: 07:04:54
Hi there. I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but I was unable to find it - so pardon me if I'm being repetitive. I have Tabledit, bought the program, and I usually like to transfer the TABs from my Geoff Hohwald book to Tabledit, so I can change speed and don't have to deal with turning pages while I'm trying to get a tune memorized.
But I'm having a problem with repeats. Although I correctly put the repeat signs, it doesn't do it - it plays right through it. And even if it would play, I would probably have a problem with the "kick off" notes - when the song goes to repeat the break in the middle of a measure, sometimes at the very end - not in the beginning, like the program would probably repeat.
Basically, it rendered the program useless to play along, and therefore, well, useless in general to me. I bought it to play along. I would like to know how to solve this problem. I got an example image here, of Old Joe Clark, which I'm currently working on. Is it possible to put that, including the kick off note, and that bar on top of the measure with the number (what the heck is that bar called anyway, and what the number means?) into the Tabledit program? Appreciate any help.
Edited by - OleRed on 06/19/2011 07:05:44
OleRed - Posted - 06/19/2011: 07:11:27
Oh, and another question, does Tabledit support Bagpipes (Great Highland Bagpipes) - I've seen it on the sound options where you can choose to make a bagpipe sound, but could I actually edit Bagpipe tunes in musical notation and add gracenotes, throws, tachums, birls, etc? If so, where do I change the option? I know it ain't banjo-related, but it is Tabledit-related.
MickG - Posted - 06/19/2011: 08:01:17
For repeats, I use the TablEdit "Reading List". I first tab out the song without any repeats, etc. , then use the Reading List to specify which measures to play and in what order. The repeats, endings, etc. then get automatically inserted into the tab.
As far as I know, TablEdit doesn't support bagpipes directly (as it does for accordion and harmonica). For instance, you can't enter a "D" note in notation and tell TablEdit to automatically apply an ornament such as a Throw to the note. For accurate ornaments you would have to enter them by hand in the notation. TablEdit special effects such as grace notes, slides, bends, tremolos, etc. could be used to simulate some ornamentation. But accurate Grip, Birl, and Throws would have to be entered by hand in the notation staff.
Mick
Edited by - MickG on 06/19/2011 08:03:42
OleRed - Posted - 06/19/2011: 08:16:58
Thanks for the reply, Mick, I really appreciate it. I got it about the repeats, that's what I had read while I waited on an answer here.
Now, for the bagpipes, I'm doing that right now, trying to transfer the first measure of "Scots Wha Ha'e" that I have on my College of Piping tutor book (vol 1, the green tutor) to Tabledit manually, note by note.
But my doubts and confusion start right at the beginning, when I click on "new" to create a new tablature, it asks me what instrument to choose, and I don't know which one that would resemble the bagpipes, or does it even matter, as I will switch it to musical notation view? Would it play the same if it's set to "Native American Flute" as it would on "Banjo Open G", for example?
I'm also not finding the gracenotes, or how to put the throw on D, grip or birl in there, as you have shown down below. I don't know how to put the notes together for the throw on D like you shown there, or what they're called. And yeah, the gracenotes. I tried to insert note up top, but it looks big and it sounds weird too... is there a "gracenote option" on Tabledit instead?
Edited by - OleRed on 06/19/2011 08:19:15
OleRed - Posted - 06/19/2011: 08:45:48
I found the gracenote option, under the "note" menu, but it's not available, it's faded as if I am not able to use it, along with the "tied note" option.
blanham - Posted - 06/19/2011: 09:31:29
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Originally posted by OleRed
I found the gracenote option, under the "note" menu, but it's not available, it's faded as if I am not able to use it, along with the "tied note" option.
To add a grace note, you have to first highlight a the existing note which the grace note will go to. Then press alt-g. Then in the pop-up window, select the position (fret number) where the grace note will come from.
OleRed - Posted - 06/19/2011: 09:52:02
Thanks, buddy. That worked. I don't know what fret or position would that be, because it's for the bagpipe, ain't no frets. So I just added the G grace note as 1/32 note on the high G position on the notation, then did what you said, Alt+G, and just chose the default settings it popped up, position 3, and it sounds better than it did with the bagpipe sound, because the grace note sounded like a little Chihuahua sneeze before doing that. I'm still gonna try other grace note settings to see if there's one that sounds better.
Now I just gotta learn the throw on D, if I don't get more info here I'll just mess around with it till I find it somehow. Again, thank you, buddy.
Edited by - OleRed on 06/19/2011 09:59:02
blanham - Posted - 06/19/2011: 09:56:29
There's a yahoo group for tabledit. If you can't get your answer here, you can definitely get it there.
OleRed - Posted - 06/19/2011: 10:19:47
I'm gonna try there, 'cause I'm about to give up. The grace notes just sound weird and don't seem to sound quite right for bagpipes, even with the bagpipe sound effect... but the worst is the throw on D, I can't seem to be able to put it all together like it is on the pictures above. I don't know what notes to put there, and they don't stay together like they are supposed to, probably because I got the wrong type of notes there.
I will try the Yahoo Group, I already got it open and I might could find something about bagpipes there. If not, then I just learn the right tempo myself, watching videos. Thank you for your help, buddy.
OleRed - Posted - 06/19/2011: 13:04:12
I found a Bagpipe Player for free on the Internet, works amazingly well, made just for the pipes and a large tunes database, even Dixie is available there! And best of all it is IDENTICAL to Tabledit, just made for the pipes! I found it awesome!
If anybody comes across this article by searching Tabledit / bagpipes, and is looking for the same thing I was, here's the link for this amazing product. The download is free, but if you can, help the guy that is sharing the program by donating $10, he deserves it. Here it is:
www3.telus.net/public/dougwick/
Here's the database for several tunes. All the tunes of the BWW type will work with the program above. To download the tunes, right click and choose "save link as" - if the program above was installed correctly, and you restarted your computer (also, besides downloading the Bagpipe Player, download the Bagpipe Reader File Converter File Utility, just in case), the file will show as a musical note symbol. Just double-click it normally and it will open the file with the Bagpipe Player! By the way, ignore the warning message and hear the song, and enjoy the options. Anyways, here's the database for Bagpipe songs:
bagpipe.intertechnics.com/inde...te=search
So, everything turned out well, I will keep the Tabledit program for my banjo needs and try to work with the advice I got here to repeat. But it seems like my banjo playing will have some bagpipe competition as well!
Anyways, thanks for all the advice, folks, as usual, Banjo Hangout is the best website for banjo pickers on earth and I always come here first for advice, and glad to do so. Take care.
Edited by - OleRed on 06/19/2011 13:30:34
JohnJ - Posted - 06/19/2011: 13:28:53
Try this link its a great link to a TablEdit instructional video stephenseifert.com/tabledit-tutorials.html (Don't be concerned that this a Dulcimer video - - Both Banjos and Dulcimers use TablEdit.)
Edited by - JohnJ on 06/19/2011 13:29:19
OleRed - Posted - 06/19/2011: 13:56:40
Thank you, John, I will check it out and learn a thing or two about the program and how to work with it better.
banjo_brad - Posted - 06/19/2011: 15:33:23
Not to seem too "uppity," but you have downloaded the pdf manual from the Tabledit site, haven't you?
It's a valuable resource and pretty much covers all the basic portions of the program. That, along with the yahoo site will get you what you want to know.
(I'm a book person, so I printed out the manual and keep it near my computer.)
OleRed - Posted - 06/20/2011: 09:15:13
No, that's a valid question. Yes, I have the manual, and I read before coming here, but I was not able to get what I wanted done, or found anything about kick-off notes. Maybe it's in there (it's a big manual), but I failed to find it or at least in a way I could understand. Theoretically, the repeat signs should work (without reading list), and there should be an option to how many times you would like to have it to repeat, it would have been a lot simpler that way, but we all know that computers and software are never simple.
Your method is probably the best, I reckon I will also print it out and leave it around, you always read something better when it's real instead of on screen. Thanks. I also like your avatar, purdy cool!
By the way, if anybody is interested, the Bagpipe Player I mentioned here, does NOT allow you to edit the songs, at least not in its own format. But the question would be, how does anybody make the songs and put them in there? They oughta come from somewhere. Perhaps they are made using a different program, then transfered, perhaps converted to the BWW Format that works with the software.
The only software I know that allows you to make and create bagpipe songs, is Piobmaster, by Ceol Mor Software, but it costs £54. But from what I seen, it looks top notch! Just wanted to share that in case somebody ended up here looking for the same things and asking the same questions I had.
Edited by - OleRed on 06/20/2011 09:17:53
OleRed - Posted - 06/27/2011: 04:44:28
Just wanted to add an update, in the unlikely event somebody looking for a bagpipe software similar to TablEdit ends up here - Piobmaster does not work well with Windows Vista or Windows 7, it is made for Windows XP. From what I heard, the folks at Ceol Mor, the company that makes the software here in Scotland, have been promising a new version that works with the new versions of Windows, but it's been years and such update has never come. It is unfortunate, because Piobmaster is a very nice software for piping.
On the bright side, there's another software that is just as good, actually one might say it's better to use and best of all, it's cheaper than Piobmaster as well. It imports just about every format (ABC, BMW, BWW and PIO) easily and the playback is very good, you can also edit everything just as easily too. Works well with any Windows version. It's also made for other Cetlic musical instruments other than the pipes (Chanter, Whistle, Flute, Bodhran and Side drum). The name of the software is CelticPipes and a lot of folks have switched from Piobmaster to this one. They also have a no commitment 30 day free trial available at their website and money back if you don't like the software, which I doubt it would happen, it's a very nice software.
celticpipes.net/
Just wanted to share this in case anybody needs the info.
OleRed - Posted - 06/28/2011: 08:33:27
Thanks for the addition, Steve. I did not know of the free Bagpipe player compatibility problems with the 64 bit Windows, as it works fine with mine, as it must be a 32 bit. From what I have seen, I think the CelticPipes is the best program and I think I'll buy it next week, I really like the way it works and it really helps me with my practicing. It's easy to use and it plays all songs I have downloaded to learn later.
