the-fish - Posted - 11/06/2009:  09:39:14

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Im sure saga was offered a deal they couldnt refuse. The banjos wer for sale, purchased, and now marketed... things like that happen over there..

Hi tom

I have no time for snick snack today

Rick

Tomcat - Posted - 11/06/2009:  10:07:32

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Hey Rick! Waz up!?Hey your avatar! Batman stole the Mafia Clown idea stuck a joker tag on it! Let's take'm to court... or did we steal it from them....oh whatever. Ha!

banjomafia.com

Clay (Slim) - Posted - 11/06/2009:  11:20:35

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Having recently chosen to purchase a Recording King R80 as my primary banjo, I have followed this thread with interest -- some laughs, some curiosity, some disdain -- but overall, there’s a thought that keeps coming back to me. It may not immediately seem applicable, but please indulge me for a minute . . .

My great grandparents moved from their failed farm in Idaho to the Bay Area during the Great Depression. My great grandpa sold Fuller paint brushes door to door and they rented a small home in San Francisco. Life was not easy for them. They had family across the Bay and on weekends they took the ferry over and drove up to a little ranch in the Oakland hills and spent time together. My grandma was a little girl during this time and tells me about how everyone played an instrument. (There was even an Uncle Earl who played banjo.) They played and sang together, enjoying each other’s company and food for hours. Though I’m sure it’s a little idealized in my mind, I can see how music brought the family together during a difficult period and allowed them to escape their troubles for a time before going back to work.

To me, this is what music is all about – connecting people and giving us temporary respite from the cares of the world.

In my opinion, the thing that makes us different than earlier generations is that we know a thousand times more about our instruments (just look how incessantly we talk about them on the hangout) but play them with a lot less purpose.

We are a bit spoiled with the number of choices we have as consumers. It follows that there’s a lot of confusion and it can be stressful to make a good decision. Whatever your instrument, but particularly if you have an RK, just pull it out and look at it. It’s beautiful. Play it and listen. It’s beautiful. Is there a better banjo deal out there? To be truthful, there probably always will be. But the old saying that we should go into marriage with our eyes wide open and then go through it with them half closed has some application to choosing your banjo, too. If we focused on playing with more enjoyment and purpose, I think these consumer-related worries would diminish.

The thing that troubles me is that when we bring the cares of the business dealings of instrument companies into our music world, they have the potential of taking out of our music the enjoyment that it is intended to bring us.

silvioferretti - Posted - 11/06/2009:  11:31:42

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What Bradskey said, basically, at least this is what I heard, basically. I also heard that Richard and Steve are possibly going to "work this out between themselves and keep the attorneys out of it", as a friend told me. I do hope this is going to happen. Shall we end this thread or are we going to blabber some more?... Peace.

"If you're gonna have a vice, try to find one that will keep you outta jail and maybe alive a little longer" - Alvin Youngblood Hart.

Silvio Ferretti scorpionmusic.com
redwinemusic.net

Greg Earnest - Posted - 11/06/2009:  12:35:16

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Ciao, Silvio! The only thing I have to contribute to this thread is that my heart is warmed by the extent to which you, an Italian (Eye-talian) have assimilated southern USA English vernacular, to the extent of knowing about JAY-pan and Chiner. Just one more and we'll have the trifecta (trifecter):

KO-REER.



The Prewar Gibson Banjo website
earnestbanjo.com

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Edited by - Greg Earnest on 11/06/2009 12:41:09

pickNgrin - Posted - 11/06/2009:  13:52:41

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quote:

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Originally posted by Clay (Slim)

In my opinion, the thing that makes us different than earlier generations is that we know a thousand times more about our instruments (just look how incessantly we talk about them on the hangout) but play them with a lot less purpose.

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Well said!

-matt

BANJO TONY - Posted - 11/06/2009:  14:46:24

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I think the bigger question should be,who was the frist one to rip off Gibbson?. after all it's just a copy of the masterstonen sound.

snakeherd - Posted - 11/06/2009:  15:25:41

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quote:

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Originally posted by BANJO TONY

I think the bigger question should be,who was the frist one to rip off Gibbson?. after all it's just a copy of the masterstonen sound.

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It's a little too late to be asking that now. It's been generations worth of water under the bridge.

Scott

nittio - Posted - 11/06/2009:  16:48:32

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I have a couple questions if you will all bear with me. I am no trademarks specialists but
I specialize in inventory audits. What I have found when somebody buys out some over invintoried Asian
products they are normally considerably reworked so they are not exact replicas, or they
have a written release to do so. My first question is How close do these two products resemble
each other when held side by side. Secondly Since Saga claims these are Recording Kings will they also
offerthe same limited lifetime waranty?

May all your picking be true!!

RK-R20
Williams Kenny Ingram #14
Frank (nittio) O.

kyblugrass - Posted - 11/06/2009:  17:22:08

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I have confirmed that they carry a 1 yr warranty. At least that's what one place told me.

Scott
“You Can Hang a Sign on a Pig Saying It's a Horse...But It’s Still Just a Pig.”

PruchaLegend - Posted - 11/06/2009:  21:37:30

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I may have misunderstood President Obama's speech, but didn't he say he was going to provide every home in the US with a Flint Hill banjo as part of his economic recovery plan?

The only wrong way to play a banjo is to not play at all!

oldwoodchuckb - Posted - 11/06/2009:  23:56:58

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Some eople are saying I have been slamming the Chinese. They haven't read what I said. I have nothing against Chinese workers, or even middle management. It is the Americans who dredge around looking for the lowest cost so they can undercut quality with trash that I find pretty disgusting.

The Chinese workers are just the latest in a long line of exploited peasants - a very long line.

In the early 60s I spent a summer working in the rag trade. The cloth cutters were all Union and made $7 bucks an hour (a fortune at the time - especially to me making $1.15 an hour as a labourer). They were all for "the workers" and defended their right to unionize and get a living wage. However, they saw nothing wrong with me making about 38 dollars a week take home. They also saw nothing wrong with the sewing staff making even less than I did.

These were skilled sewing machine operators, working in a windowless room barely large enough to hold the 100 to 125 sewing machines. Of course they were all illegal immigrants - but they would not have been in this country if no one had been actively seeking them to do "piece work". As "independant operators" they got no benefits, and were expected to wait around for cut clot to sew getting no payment for their down time. The company also extracted "rent" for the sewing machine. Mostly they worked through "lunch' because they could make an extra 60 to 70 cents in that time.

Most of them were somehow sending money back to South America on paychecks that averaged 25 to 35 bucks a week. If they got too blind or too crippled to do the work - they weren't even fired - just told to stop coming in. There were plenty of "replacements" available.

Now we don't have sweat shops here in the US. Instead we have sweat shops in Milasia, China, Micronesia, wherever we can buy labour at a cut rate.

Of course in the rag trade, a sewing machine is a petty cheap piece of equipment. Not like the bending, shaping and machining equipment necessary to do up a toaster that burns out after six months, or a drill bit that doesn't drill. And we accept this as the price of doing business. Toaster burned out - Wally World will give you another one just like it. It doesn't matter that the next burnout might also burn down your house. You have had it too long to get a refund.

I tried out a Saga Pony at a festival a year or so ago. It was a pretty nice banjo - made in the Korean factory that turned out most Asian banjos at the time. Not realizing things had changed I decided to order a new Saga Pony. It was the very definition of "banjo shaped object" the tension hoop had a quarter inch tall and very sharp lip all the way around. The head was obviously a bit too large for the rim, and the neck set appeared to be based on the pressure from the plastic equivalent of a flesh hoop. The neck was the weirdest shape I ever felt: it was far too narrow for all those strings, and far deeper than any musical instrument I ever played. One fret was lifted. This I discovered in a 10 minute inspection. It went back to Elderly the very same day - the first time I've ever returned anything to them in decades of purchases. They were a bit miffed that I didn't want a replacement - after all it was only a lifted fret. Why wouldn't I want another. Five years ago they would have sent anything as junky as that thing straight back across the ocean, and just wiped all the Cheap offen their hands. Now they consider it to be salable stock - Just needs a couple quick whacks to put the fret back in. I still buy from Elderly - but they will never sell me another instrument.

There might be good banjos being made in China now. I know the Koreans eventually learned how. But I'm not going to be the sucker buying today in the hopes that my NEXT purchase will be playable.


rsb.pricklypearmusic.net
Rocket Science Banjo - Advanced Clawhammer Techniques for beginners and long time players alike. Plus videos and 25-40 EZ Clawhammer Tunes.
& check out "How To Mold A Mighty Pinky" at:
pricklypearmusic.net
banjo brad's great banjo site

BanjoDiva - Posted - 11/07/2009:  04:46:26

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quote:

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Originally posted by nittio

I have a couple questions if you will all bear with me. I am no trademarks specialists but
I specialize in inventory audits. What I have found when somebody buys out some over invintoried Asian
products they are normally considerably reworked so they are not exact replicas, or they
have a written release to do so. My first question is How close do these two products resemble
each other when held side by side. Secondly Since Saga claims these are Recording Kings will they also
offerthe same limited lifetime waranty?

May all your picking be true!!

RK-R20
Williams Kenny Ingram #14
Frank (nittio) O.

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Frank, I talked with Dick after he had seen the Flinthills. He took one apart and said it was identical to the R-80 except for the name on the peghead. He also indicated that the tailpiece on the one he examined appeared to be inferior to what was on the RK. Other than that, the same. When I spoke to Greg he confirmed that the parts are RK, but that many were rejected for use on RK banjos.

I shouldn't speak in place of Dick, but I'm sure if I misunderstood he'll come on here and "correct" me.

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Edited by - BanjoDiva on 11/07/2009 04:47:53

Gillis Cashman - Posted - 11/07/2009:  04:51:23

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When we buy RK component hardware as flanges, hoops, hooks are we getting Saga hardware?

steve davis - Posted - 11/07/2009:  05:15:22

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Tony said the problem is "Americans who dredge around looking for the lowest cost..."

A lot of people are struggling mightily with the loss of jobs and the rising price of everything.I hope they get a chance to buy these "Knock-offs".

I'm waiting for them to go down another hundred dollars right after Christmas.

Bradskey - Posted - 11/07/2009:  06:16:51

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quote:

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Originally posted by Gillis Cashman

When we buy RK component hardware as flanges, hoops, hooks are we getting Saga hardware?

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You're new so I'll be gentle... NO. You're buying RK hardware, and its good hardware. RK makes all those parts in their factory. RK doesn't make Saga's banjos or parts, and Saga certainly doesn't make RK's banjos or parts. This is the confusing garbage that people have spouted that I mentioned earlier. Is this thing still going???

lazyarcher - Posted - 11/07/2009:  06:31:37

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quote:

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Originally posted by oldwoodchuckb

Some eople are saying I have been slamming the Chinese. They haven't read what I said. I have nothing against Chinese workers, or even middle management. It is the Americans who dredge around looking for the lowest cost so they can undercut quality with trash that I find pretty disgusting.

The Chinese workers are just the latest in a long line of exploited peasants - a very long line.

In the early 60s I spent a summer working in the rag trade. The cloth cutters were all Union and made $7 bucks an hour (a fortune at the time - especially to me making $1.15 an hour as a labourer). They were all for "the workers" and defended their right to unionize and get a living wage. However, they saw nothing wrong with me making about 38 dollars a week take home. They also saw nothing wrong with the sewing staff making even less than I did.

These were skilled sewing machine operators, working in a windowless room barely large enough to hold the 100 to 125 sewing machines. Of course they were all illegal immigrants - but they would not have been in this country if no one had been actively seeking them to do "piece work". As "independant operators" they got no benefits, and were expected to wait around for cut clot to sew getting no payment for their down time. The company also extracted "rent" for the sewing machine. Mostly they worked through "lunch' because they could make an extra 60 to 70 cents in that time.

Most of them were somehow sending money back to South America on paychecks that averaged 25 to 35 bucks a week. If they got too blind or too crippled to do the work - they weren't even fired - just told to stop coming in. There were plenty of "replacements" available.

Now we don't have sweat shops here in the US. Instead we have sweat shops in Milasia, China, Micronesia, wherever we can buy labour at a cut rate.

Of course in the rag trade, a sewing machine is a petty cheap piece of equipment. Not like the bending, shaping and machining equipment necessary to do up a toaster that burns out after six months, or a drill bit that doesn't drill. And we accept this as the price of doing business. Toaster burned out - Wally World will give you another one just like it. It doesn't matter that the next burnout might also burn down your house. You have had it too long to get a refund.

I tried out a Saga Pony at a festival a year or so ago. It was a pretty nice banjo - made in the Korean factory that turned out most Asian banjos at the time. Not realizing things had changed I decided to order a new Saga Pony. It was the very definition of "banjo shaped object" the tension hoop had a quarter inch tall and very sharp lip all the way around. The head was obviously a bit too large for the rim, and the neck set appeared to be based on the pressure from the plastic equivalent of a flesh hoop. The neck was the weirdest shape I ever felt: it was far too narrow for all those strings, and far deeper than any musical instrument I ever played. One fret was lifted. This I discovered in a 10 minute inspection. It went back to Elderly the very same day - the first time I've ever returned anything to them in decades of purchases. They were a bit miffed that I didn't want a replacement - after all it was only a lifted fret. Why wouldn't I want another. Five years ago they would have sent anything as junky as that thing straight back across the ocean, and just wiped all the Cheap offen their hands. Now they consider it to be salable stock - Just needs a couple quick whacks to put the fret back in. I still buy from Elderly - but they will never sell me another instrument.

There might be good banjos being made in China now. I know the Koreans eventually learned how. But I'm not going to be the sucker buying today in the hopes that my NEXT purchase will be playable.


rsb.pricklypearmusic.net
Rocket Science Banjo - Advanced Clawhammer Techniques for beginners and long time players alike. Plus videos and 25-40 EZ Clawhammer Tunes.
& check out "How To Mold A Mighty Pinky" at:
pricklypearmusic.net
banjo brad's great banjo site

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Chucky--you're right with regards to some of the overseas junk...its junk. Dont know if its china, Korea, India, Malasia..but its junk. It seems half of everything you buy today has to go back to the store...grrrrrrr.

But...RK instruments arn't in this category and they're not made in sweatshops. All of the RK instruments I've seen and played were top quality. As good as the banjos are, try their archtop guitars and their Loar mandolins..wow. From what I've seen and heard, their manifacturing facilities are also state of the art modern. Good jobs and good training.

If you want to see poorly made, inconsistant instruments for a ridiculous price, look no further than the US of A and the big "G".

Dave Jack

Poppy - Posted - 11/07/2009:  06:59:10

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Remember, before answering someones question that they are just that questions. I don't care about RKs, I don't care if you think they are great, I honestly don't care. Will I buy a RK? NO, I own a Goldstar and if I ever buy another Banjo it will be a Goldstar also,(or a Hatfield,just to get that burnt popcorn smell)
IF you feel the need to talk down to someone, go to another forum and do it or I will lock you from here. Answer the question,be nice,or be gone.

"What kind of man would live in a world where there is no daring? I don't believe in taking foolish chances, but nothing can be accomplished without taking any chance at all." -- Charles Lindberg

sugarinthegourd - Posted - 11/07/2009:  07:24:24

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Based on the fact that dealers are happy to sell RK-R80s as low as $880 with free shipping, and that a mint looking one just ended on eBay at $600 with no bids, I find very plausible the explanation that RK has excess inventory and isn't buying enough to support the (Chinese-owned) factory's output.

the-fish - Posted - 11/07/2009:  08:27:46

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did we find out why the state of the art manufacturing facility thats been touted as world class has been moved out of? wasnt it owned and built by TML for RK builds?

I have no time for snick snack today

Rick

lazyarcher - Posted - 11/07/2009:  08:50:03

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I dont know if any factories in China are ever owned by anyone else other than the Chinese?? From what I've read, the RK factory was for RK/TML instruments only.

quote:

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Originally posted by rjanecek

did we find out why the state of the art manufacturing facility thats been touted as world class has been moved out of? wasnt it owned and built by TML for RK builds? I believe the factory has been moved.

I have no time for snick snack today

Rick

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Dave Jack

the-fish - Posted - 11/07/2009:  11:18:38

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It was my understanding that it was built special for RK line. I may be wrong...

they are showing up everywhere though


I have no time for snick snack today

Rick

lazyarcher - Posted - 11/07/2009:  11:28:45

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quote:

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Originally posted by rjanecek

It was my understanding that it was built special for RK line. I may be wrong...

they are showing up everywhere though


I have no time for snick snack today

Rick


Thats what I understand...but who know what goes on overseas. They are in a bunch of stores eh? Hopefully buyers won't get burned with the defective parts/2nds that were rejected by RK.

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Dave Jack

steve davis - Posted - 11/07/2009:  12:14:46

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It depends on what the blemishes are on the seconds.
Some plating irregularities or finish "holdays" don't have anything to do with the playability or sound.

BvilleDon - Posted - 11/08/2009:  16:28:14

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I wrote a huge thing and decided against it. One can explain their position until the words lose their value. I had wanted to accomplish two things'
1. I have a very dear friend who has the right to distribute a certain bransd of instrument made in China. He is not at all involved in this mess. I do repect him and just want to make sure he knows that i understand there are cheap pioeces of dung sold as instruments that come out of China and there are higher end instruments that are a great value for their money. My friend would never be involved with anything but the higher end instruments. i weanted to say that, as he comes on the Hangout sometimes and I would hate to be misunderstood.
2. I will nevwer understand the big business dealings and intrigue going on here. I understand the response that was made to an earlier post of mine. I still have a problem with highly regarded folks allowing their names to be used on instruments with known problems that have taken too long to fix. I understand that a prototype may be perfect. i also understand that when production is geared up, the production models may not live up to the specs of the prototype. However, I would think that peoiple with decades long reputations for making great instruments would have an avid interest in seeing that such real concerns as have been expressed would be addressed shortly aftere the promises to fix them have been made. A different problem altogether than the Saga/'RK thing discussed here. It just amazes me that as soon as the bottom line is threatened, it is an emergency, but I guy getting a banjo with a faultily designed part, that is not such an emergency, nor the fact that the next dozens or hundreds sold may have the same problems. I think the emergency should have been when the next picker wqas going to get one based upon the reputation of genuinely remarkable people--and they were going to get one with the same problem as the last guy. I know you don't just snap your fingers and the change is made, but the action appears to be much quicker for an executive worrying about the bottom line than it is for a person trusting the PR. I do not believe in kicking a person just because they are down, I was in the corporate world long ernough to see this happen many times. I just wonder about the differences inreaction to the bottom line vs the banjo picker trying to get a good deal on a banjo her likes the sound of and the other problems will become apparent to him/her at a later date. That said, I am still pulling for anyone whoi makes a good sounding banjo at a price that can put them into the hands of many great pickers.

Don

420picker - Posted - 11/09/2009:  09:20:29

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I wonder what music sounds like when there is no money attached to it.

good food,drink,smoke and music. When you got em all, you got it good.

TN_Picker - Posted - 11/09/2009:  10:19:34

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I wonder what a thread about RK banjos would look like if no one knew who made them or where they came from?

“Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help! I'm being repressed!”

Cabin_Hill - Posted - 11/09/2009:  11:42:55

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The main attraction in most movies are the characters.

the-fish - Posted - 11/11/2009:  10:30:29

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thats a lot of stolen banjos turning up...

God Bless America

Rick

chrome - Posted - 11/11/2009:  15:22:24

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I couldn't believe it either till I couldn't sleep the other night and turned on the TV and was doing a little channel surfing.

There it was...The Professional banjo collection.....On QVC

Here's what you get...A Flinthill banjo,strap,tuner,extra set of strings, and a banjo book by Janet Richardson on how to play like Earl in 7 days...

I kid you not!!!

If you bought it now it was $659 or three easy pays....

Just trying to keep the masses informed...

steve davis - Posted - 11/11/2009:  15:43:12

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That's a great deal.

Bradskey - Posted - 11/11/2009:  18:07:14

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quote:

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Originally posted by chrome
a banjo book by Janet Richardson on how to play like Earl in 7 days...

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Only 7 days, huh? I've been doing something wrong.

quote:

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Originally posted by chrome
I kid you not!!!

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I was gonna ask, but okay. *Sigh....*

oldwoodchuckb - Posted - 11/11/2009:  22:29:31

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I can teach you how to play "like" Earl (and I do mean Scruggs) in one sentence.

"Use a banjo."


rsb.pricklypearmusic.net
Rocket Science Banjo - Advanced Clawhammer Techniques for beginners and long time players alike. Plus videos and 25-40 EZ Clawhammer Tunes.
& check out "How To Mold A Mighty Pinky" at:
pricklypearmusic.net
banjo brad's great banjo site

lazyarcher - Posted - 11/12/2009:  10:13:08

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Oh crap....now everyones on board....




Dave Jack

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Edited by - lazyarcher on 11/12/2009 10:40:44

Bill Rogers - Posted - 11/12/2009:  12:54:07

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Also posted to the other "Flinthill"/RK thread: Does anyone know who actually may own a Chinese factory? My impression (and it's only that) is that a foreign entity, as partner, may own up to 49%, but that majority control must rest with a Chinese firm. Certainly that would affect what a factory does with leftover inventory. I regularly buy books on the cheap from a remainder dealer who buys the unsold ones up from the publishers for pennies on the dollar. These same new books are often still on the shelves of retailers. That's just the way the book trade works. For now, it's very clear that those who know the whole story aren't going public. That's their right. It's also our right to speculate. But until we hear definitively from folks such as Greg Rich, Scott Zimmerman and Richard Keldsen, what we say is just that--speculation that may or may not be accurate.

Bill

dorse - Posted - 11/18/2009:  04:25:52

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Looks like Elderly is not selling the FlintHill RK knock off at this time.

--Dorse

sawyer 12 - Posted - 11/20/2009:  23:29:58

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Don't some companies do this as a way to sell the rejects? To protect their reputation they only have to change the name. Just a thought!

Cabin_Hill - Posted - 11/21/2009:  07:16:44

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I wonder if there were any TML contractors or employees who were part of the big rip off. Could this have been a planned inside job.

Does the original RK peghead block have lacquer or poly over it? If so, How was the block changed to flinthill after the banjo was completed?

sawyer 12 - Posted - 11/21/2009:  10:27:42

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Didn't Steve Patrino say there were reject parts missing? If someone was stealing them, why steal the rejects? Why not build second grade banjos with those parts and use a different name?
Guys, I don't have a phd but this isn't hard to figure out. Just because Martin destroys the rejects doesn't mean all companies do.

I seen the same thing happen to a certain guitar built in china. It looks like to me, the guy in the marketing area has been doing some extra work.
People are going to jump all over these banjos thinking they are getting a 1100.00 banjo for 600.00.

Brett - Posted - 11/22/2009:  06:21:58

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Originally posted by sawyer 12

Didn't Steve Patrino say there were reject parts missing? If someone was stealing them, why steal the rejects? Why not build second grade banjos with those parts and use a different name?
Guys, I don't have a phd but this isn't hard to figure out. Just because Martin destroys the rejects doesn't mean all companies do.

I seen the same thing happen to a certain guitar built in china. It looks like to me, the guy in the marketing area has been doing some extra work.
People are going to jump all over these banjos thinking they are getting a 1100.00 banjo for 600.00.

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I picked one up for bar/outdoor gigs and there isn't a flaw to be found and I've looked hard and am a seasoned picker/owner. Sounds phenominal, plays great. Only thing wrong, head tension was too high. I've looked REALLY, REALLY hard for any flaws or poor fitting, it does NOT exist.

savzac - Posted - 11/28/2009:  13:00:33

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It is so funny how I can look back in on the hangout after a few months and the same handful of people are jumping at the chance to say something negative about RK's or Greg Rich. What in the world do those folks do in between negative RK posts to keep busy? :)

MoTomCat - Posted - 11/28/2009:  16:29:05

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quote:

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Originally posted by savzac

It is so funny how I can look back in on the hangout after a few months and the same handful of people are jumping at the chance to say something negative about RK's or Greg Rich. What in the world do those folks do in between negative RK posts to keep busy? :)

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banjoman3 - Posted - 12/01/2009:  23:56:22

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yea it's amazing to me as well. heres my view on the RK situation. mine aint goin anywhere. i dont care about the new ones. dont care about the stolen ones. dont care what ya gotta say about RK. if ya love, if ya hate it. dont care that ya dont like it bc it's an "asian" copy. just all around dont give a rat's a**. i love my instrument. plays awesome. sounds amazing. so why would you knock the banjo? whatever. if you want the flinthill then by all means get the flinthill. if you want a dean banjo that cost 30 dollars. hell get that one. i just cant believe that this thread has gone on as long as it has. but hell, i knew it would. RK was in the title. the most hated on must be the best. pick it or bite it :)
seacrest....OUT

BanjoDiva - Posted - 12/02/2009:  05:55:24

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Originally posted by banjoman3

yea it's amazing to me as well. heres my view on the RK situation. mine aint goin anywhere. i dont care about the new ones. dont care about the stolen ones. dont care what ya gotta say about RK. if ya love, if ya hate it. dont care that ya dont like it bc it's an "asian" copy. just all around dont give a rat's a**. i love my instrument. plays awesome. sounds amazing. so why would you knock the banjo? whatever. if you want the flinthill then by all means get the flinthill. if you want a dean banjo that cost 30 dollars. hell get that one. i just cant believe that this thread has gone on as long as it has. but hell, i knew it would. RK was in the title. the most hated on must be the best. pick it or bite it :)
seacrest....OUT

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Well said Price. Glad to see you here again. Hey SavZac, MoTomcat -- good to see you guys too.

Deever
banjoholler.com

banjoman3 - Posted - 12/02/2009:  06:14:34

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thank ya diva. i was gone for a spell cause i had gastric sleeve surgery on aug 31st :) have gone from 458 to 375 and loosin as we speak :) how have you been

BanjoDiva - Posted - 12/02/2009:  08:01:14

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Originally posted by banjoman3

thank ya diva. i was gone for a spell cause i had gastric sleeve surgery on aug 31st :) have gone from 458 to 375 and loosin as we speak :) how have you been

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Way to go Big Loser!!! I'm proud of you!!! Hope you are feeling okay. I had another friend who went through that and found eating at all to be difficult for a while. Congratulations -- I know you have to feel better.

MoTomCat - Posted - 12/02/2009:  12:34:25

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"Hey SavZac, MoTomcat -- good to see you guys too."

Hiya Deever. Yeah, just bash RK banjos for 10 pages or so and you never know who might come out of the woodwork!

This has actually been a funny thread, watching the comments, and then the "RK-bashers" try to twist them out of context or do anything they could to make something negative of them.......

Made me think of times gone by........

like my first EX-WIFE!

BanjoDiva - Posted - 12/02/2009:  15:17:33

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Originally posted by MoTomCat

"Hey SavZac, MoTomcat -- good to see you guys too."

Hiya Deever. Yeah, just bash RK banjos for 10 pages or so and you never know who might come out of the woodwork!

This has actually been a funny thread, watching the comments, and then the "RK-bashers" try to twist them out of context or do anything they could to make something negative of them.......

Made me think of times gone by........

like my first EX-WIFE!

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People were bashing them before they ever rolled off the line!! LOL! Ahhhhhh, the good ol' days!

BANJO TONY - Posted - 04/11/2010:  16:17:14

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Funny it was OK to bash Gibson,but God help you if you bash RK.please get a life & just play what you can afford.