Bundy - Posted - 09/29/2009:  13:20:36

I think this is a quite a new song, heard it on BBC Radio 1 in the UK.
Was wondering if any very talented and experianced players can work it out, or someone might know where to find the tab.
This is a link to their video
http://www.totallyfuzzy.net/ourtube...b1ce200.html

Thanks in advance!

LeslieDH - Posted - 10/24/2009:  04:10:16

Yeah i love this song but cant find the tab anywhere :S

jibbs - Posted - 11/17/2009:  10:00:34

ive been looking for winter wind (which is by the same group) but cant find that either

RichieBHD - Posted - 12/22/2009:  20:41:00

Hi guys,
I'm just starting out with the banjo (loving every second of it) and would dearly love to play both Winter Winds and Little Lion Man eventually. Havn't found any information on either song but here's a link to guitar tabs for Little Lion Man (perhaps an experienced player could convert??).

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs..._man_crd.htm

And I've seen a video of Winter Winds (the live Brown Couch Sessions 2009) with a fair bit of cameratime for the banjo (again, perhaps an experienced player could figure out the chords?).

Hope it helps us all! :)

gam - Posted - 12/25/2009:  01:19:39

hi,

had a play around with little lion man, for five mins this morn, sounds to me like the banjo is capo'ed at the fifth fret too just like the guitar. just play the same chords as the guitar. will have a play around where the banjo is playing in sixthteenth notes and tab it out if i work it out.

gam - Posted - 12/26/2009:  04:48:41

hi

you will have to listen for where the banjo plays as it doesn't play all the time.

here's what the banjo plays in chorus.

for other parts just play the same pattern but with the appropriate chords.

capo at the fifth fret and 5th strg too.

PLEASE NOTE, UPDATED 7 MARCH 2010

2/4 TIME

chorus
.....Am.....................................F
D|-----2------------2---------2--|-------3----------3-----------3--|
B|---------------------------------|----------------------------------|
G|--2----------2-----------2-----|---2----------2----------2-------|
D|--------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
G|---------0------------0--------|------------0-----------0---------|
..1,..not.............your..............fault................but
..2,..your...........heart.............on...................the
..3,..f***ed.........it..................up..................this


.....C
D|-----2------------2---------2--|-------2----------2-----------2--|
B|---------------------------------|----------------------------------|
G|--0----------0-----------0-----|---0----------0----------0-------|
D|--------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
G|---------0------------0--------|------------0-----------0---------|
.....mine........................................and.........it..........was
.....line,.............................................i.............really
.....time,.........................................didn't.......i,.......my


play 3 times, then:-

.....G
D|-----0------------0---------0--|-------0----------0-----------0--|
B|---------------------------------|----------------------------------|
G|--0----------0-----------0-----|---0----------0----------0-------|
D|--------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
G|---------0------------0--------|------------0-----------0---------|
.....dear.

D|-----0------------0---------0--|-------0----------0-----------0--|
B|---------------------------------|----------------------------------|
G|--0----------0-----------0-----|---0----------0----------0-------|
D|--------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
G|---------0------------0--------|------------0-----------0---------|

hope this helps

gam

Edited by - gam on 03/10/2010 04:14:43

dougman68 - Posted - 01/27/2010:  22:26:22

anybody have any info on the song "The Cave". This may help to determine the picking as you can see it briefly http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...oid=63868282. I am still relatively new at banjo too so I cannot yet determine the notes. Thanks

wanderlust_music_lover - Posted - 03/03/2010:  18:05:32

Ilove these guys. I saw them about a week ago on Letterman and feel in love with them instantly. They album is very good with.

gam - Posted - 03/07/2010:  03:23:39

alright, how's it going, alright,

sorry folk's had the wrong picking pattern for the banjo tab on, " little lion man ". please check out the new pattern, which i have now changed in my previous thread.

thank's
gam

zeewierkoekje - Posted - 03/07/2010:  10:03:46

quote:

---

Originally posted by gam

hi

you will have to listen for where the banjo plays as it doesn't play all the time.

here's what the banjo plays in chorus.

for other parts just play the same pattern but with the appropriate chords.

capo at the fifth fret and 5th string too.

PLEASE NOTE, UPDATED 7 MARCH 2010

2/4 TIME

chorus
.....Am.....................................F
D|-----2------------2---------2--|-------3----------3-----------3--|
B|---------------------------------|----------------------------------|
G|--2----------2-----------2-----|---2----------2----------2-------|
D|--------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
G|---------0------------0--------|------------0-----------0---------|

.....C
D|-----2------------2---------2--|-------2----------2-----------2--|
B|---------------------------------|----------------------------------|
G|--0----------0-----------0-----|---0----------0----------0-------|
D|--------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
G|---------0------------0--------|------------0-----------0---------|

play 3 times, then:-

.....G
D|-----0------------0---------0--|-------0----------0-----------0--|
B|---------------------------------|----------------------------------|
G|--0----------0-----------0-----|---0----------0----------0-------|
D|--------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
G|---------0------------0--------|------------0-----------0---------|


D|-----0------------0---------0--|-------0----------0-----------0--|
B|---------------------------------|----------------------------------|
G|--0----------0-----------0-----|---0----------0----------0-------|
D|--------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
G|---------0------------0--------|------------0-----------0---------|

hope this helps

gam

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dorno1219 - Posted - 03/08/2010:  23:32:33

[yellow]Well been playing banjo for a year gam little lion man is played with capo on third fret and not the 5th all you have to do is watch the you tube vidoes and beleive it or not you can see it!!!!!! Can not belive no one has worked this simple banjo tab out on this site with all the talented players on here???????????? I would be happy to pay for it if it it was correct!!!!!!!!!!

gam - Posted - 03/09/2010:  04:36:34

[yellow]Well been playing banjo for a year gam little lion man is played with capo on third fret and not the 5th all you have to do is watch the you tube vidoes and beleive it or not you can see it!!!!!! Can not belive no one has worked this simple banjo tab out on this site with all the talented players on here???????????? I would be happy to pay for it if it it was correct!!!!!!!!!!

yes you are right it is played with a capo on the third fret, but you still have to have the fifth strg capo'ed to the fifth fret. the chords will be:-

Bm,G, D, D X3
A, A, A, A,

the note's are exactly the same, it's just a bit easier to play, the way i play it.

gam

Edited by - gam on 03/09/2010 16:53:19

banjotom2 - Posted - 03/09/2010:  10:13:17

I watched the video in the first post at the top...it is indeed a cool song...

It's really not a 'banjo' tune per se...more of a vocalized 'song of words' expressing a thought to a loved one...in a youthful setting...with banjo 'in the background'...

A couple of you have gone into analyzing the tune for:
1) Key
2) Chords
3) Roll patterns

If it were me, and I was 'leather-bent' for tabbing this tune out...

I would:

1) Get the lyrics first...this is a song after all and not an instrumental

2) I'd figure out the chords (which you all are already doing...good job!) I would put the lyrics into a word file, double-spaced to leave room for the chords you are about to 'write-in' with a No. 2 pencil (with an eraser nearby)...

3) Start putting the chords in as you hear them...put the pencil down, sing or hum through what you have...keep at the battle of figuring this worthy tune out until you are sure you have the chords right or the way you like them...

Because there are several of you working on this project, put those words and chords up for the others to see...get the group 'consensus'...does everyone agree on the chord progression, choice of chords? Keep working on it until you have achieved group consensus...

Put the chords over the words in your lyrics word file. Save it to disk and post it or pass it around to others in the group.

Now you have a group of 'minds' working on this project...it's a powerful thing!

4) In addition to the above lyrics sheet, I often 'count through the chord progression', while the song is playing, or if I have it in my head well enough, I'll just hum through it while counting the number of beats to each chord and come up with a 'short-hand' out line of the chords...

example:

G G C G
G G G/D G

Each letter name represents one measure of 4/4 time. Therefore you know you'll be counting to 4 on each letter name.

In the second line, there is one 'split' measure...2 beats of G, 2 beats of D, then one full measure of G at the end...

Hum through the melody, while using this short-hand chord sheet....make sure it's as right as possible...add it to your collection of reference material acquired so far...it will be useful when you get down to the dirty, time-consuming task of actually tabbing the tune out.

I frequently by this point will have started a tabledit file with 2 banjo staves and one guitar stave.

Banjo stave #1: Melody line with lyrics (if I'm setting up a fakebook style arrangement).

Banjo stave #2: Where the actual 'back-up' and/or banjo solo will occur.

Banjo stave #3: The guitar rhythm.

It's easiest in my opinion to input the chord progression first into the guitar stave, stave #3.

The addition of keyboard, drums/percussion and bass is always THE VERY LAST THING I add to a tabledited arrangement, if I'm going that deep. That way all mistakes, errors, 'boo-boos' have been corrected and you only have to do this part of the task ONCE!

After that, I would 'play-back' the file and sing or hum the melody while looking at the lyrics sheet I've already worked out. This will give you insight into whether you've got the right number of measures of each chord to support the melody.

You could also at this point, mark the measures in one of the top 2 banjo staves, where the actual banjo solo takes place...count though it...what 'specific measure' does the banjo solo or back-up start....and where does it stop?

All of this and any of this can be changed later, but for the moment, you're 'building the framework' for the entire tune. All of the parts of effort required to do a great job of tabbing a tune out, often point out errors, mistakes, overlooked details...which ultimately hone your arrangement to perfection.

Building a worthy tab for a song you love is a time-consuming, labor-intensive, multi-layer effort that frequently takes hours-upon-hours, days-upon-days to finish...if you're trying to be 'correct'.

Some of the Beatles tunes I've arranged have taken weeks into months to figure out...spending 8 or more hours per day (even when it's nice outside) tabbing, correcting, tabbing...etc...

This kind of work is not for the 'faint-of-heart'... it gets done by goal-oriented, hard-working, fear-nothing, obsessed with 'correctness'-minded people who seek a higher level of understanding of their instrument of interest.

I learn a whole lot more about my instrument (and the songs/instrumentals I love) from working out arrangements than I ever did from studying out of books or reading/studying other people's tabs.

Books gave me the background, the basic rolls, the concept...

Arranging and working out correct tablatures makes you a THINKING machine-of-a-banjo player and sets your feet on the path of success with other tunes down the road. The frustration of finding tabs to tunes I wanted to learn (which were never available it seemed) drove me to learn everything I could about music...and learning how to play guitar, mandolin, banjo and fiddle. I've been at it almost 30 years now...and I still love it!

How many guitar tabs have we seen from sites such a OLGA and other sites such as Ultimate Guitar, where the tab author is 'excusing' their mistakes...

As banjo afficionados and aspiring banjo pickers...let's show "them guitar pickers" a thing or two about arranging and tabbing! Let's do it right and make NO excuses for our work!

Keep up your good work, team!

BanjoTom2

Edited by - banjotom2 on 03/09/2010 10:46:05

dorno1219 - Posted - 03/17/2010:  01:57:24

quote:

---

Originally posted by banjotom2

I watched the video in the first post at the top...it is indeed a cool song...

It's really not a 'banjo' tune per se...more of a vocalized 'song of words' expressing a thought to a loved one...in a youthful setting...with banjo 'in the background'...

A couple of you have gone into analyzing the tune for:
1) Key
2) Chords
3) Roll patterns

If it were me, and I was 'leather-bent' for tabbing this tune out...

I would:

1) Get the lyrics first...this is a song after all and not an instrumental

2) I'd figure out the chords (which you all are already doing...good job!) I would put the lyrics into a word file, double-spaced to leave room for the chords you are about to 'write-in' with a No. 2 pencil (with an eraser nearby)...

3) Start putting the chords in as you hear them...put the pencil down, sing or hum through what you have...keep at the battle of figuring this worthy tune out until you are sure you have the chords right or the way you like them...

Because there are several of you working on this project, put those words and chords up for the others to see...get the group 'consensus'...does everyone agree on the chord progression, choice of chords? Keep working on it until you have achieved group consensus...

Put the chords over the words in your lyrics word file. Save it to disk and post it or pass it around to others in the group.

Now you have a group of 'minds' working on this project...it's a powerful thing!

4) In addition to the above lyrics sheet, I often 'count through the chord progression', while the song is playing, or if I have it in my head well enough, I'll just hum through it while counting the number of beats to each chord and come up with a 'short-hand' out line of the chords...

example:

G G C G
G G G/D G

Each letter name represents one measure of 4/4 time. Therefore you know you'll be counting to 4 on each letter name.

In the second line, there is one 'split' measure...2 beats of G, 2 beats of D, then one full measure of G at the end...

Hum through the melody, while using this short-hand chord sheet....make sure it's as right as possible...add it to your collection of reference material acquired so far...it will be useful when you get down to the dirty, time-consuming task of actually tabbing the tune out.

I frequently by this point will have started a tabledit file with 2 banjo staves and one guitar stave.

Banjo stave #1: Melody line with lyrics (if I'm setting up a fakebook style arrangement).

Banjo stave #2: Where the actual 'back-up' and/or banjo solo will occur.

Banjo stave #3: The guitar rhythm.

It's easiest in my opinion to input the chord progression first into the guitar stave, stave #3.

The addition of keyboard, drums/percussion and bass is always THE VERY LAST THING I add to a tabledited arrangement, if I'm going that deep. That way all mistakes, errors, 'boo-boos' have been corrected and you only have to do this part of the task ONCE!

After that, I would 'play-back' the file and sing or hum the melody while looking at the lyrics sheet I've already worked out. This will give you insight into whether you've got the right number of measures of each chord to support the melody.

You could also at this point, mark the measures in one of the top 2 banjo staves, where the actual banjo solo takes place...count though it...what 'specific measure' does the banjo solo or back-up start....and where does it stop?

All of this and any of this can be changed later, but for the moment, you're 'building the framework' for the entire tune. All of the parts of effort required to do a great job of tabbing a tune out, often point out errors, mistakes, overlooked details...which ultimately hone your arrangement to perfection.

Building a worthy tab for a song you love is a time-consuming, labor-intensive, multi-layer effort that frequently takes hours-upon-hours, days-upon-days to finish...if you're trying to be 'correct'.

Some of the Beatles tunes I've arranged have taken weeks into months to figure out...spending 8 or more hours per day (even when it's nice outside) tabbing, correcting, tabbing...etc...

This kind of work is not for the 'faint-of-heart'... it gets done by goal-oriented, hard-working, fear-nothing, obsessed with 'correctness'-minded people who seek a higher level of understanding of their instrument of interest.

I learn a whole lot more about my instrument (and the songs/instrumentals I love) from working out arrangements than I ever did from studying out of books or reading/studying other people's tabs.

Books gave me the background, the basic rolls, the concept...

Arranging and working out correct tablatures makes you a THINKING machine-of-a-banjo player and sets your feet on the path of success with other tunes down the road. The frustration of finding tabs to tunes I wanted to learn (which were never available it seemed) drove me to learn everything I could about music...and learning how to play guitar, mandolin, banjo and fiddle. I've been at it almost 30 years now...and I still love it!

How many guitar tabs have we seen from sites such a OLGA and other sites such as Ultimate Guitar, where the tab author is 'excusing' their mistakes...

As banjo afficionados and aspiring banjo pickers...let's show "them guitar pickers" a thing or two about arranging and tabbing! Let's do it right and make NO excuses for our work!

Keep up your good work, team!

BanjoTom2

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Bundy - Posted - 03/17/2010:  14:41:48

I have been tracking the progress of this post, each time someone new posts a message. Your post is very inspirational Banjotom2, and would love to say I have the time at the moment to give it a go!! In fact I must confess, by looking at the date on my original post, that I may have only picked up my banjo a couple of times this year!! :( Its been busy at university, and I’m looking forward to some of the work easing off over the new few weeks. So, I will face my fear and frustration of being music illiterate, and have a go at what you say, and (hopefully) post some progress, working from the contributions of the previous posters.