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Cornflake - Posted - 08/23/2009: 22:37:06
You're right. Period.
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I love my excellent sense of humor. Unfortunately it gets me into trouble, and un-funny people think I''m an idiot.
smijmk - Posted - 08/23/2009: 22:42:00
You got that right Bill.....JD is the man......
Smitty Smith
eralbert - Posted - 08/23/2009: 22:50:21
After listening to it three times, I book-marked the page. To me, that's what banjo picking is........leading, following, and filling in.
What a great clip.
OSCAR82AA - Posted - 08/24/2009: 03:31:53
Great Thanks,
There must be atleast 100 lessons in that one video.
JD is still on top of his game.
skevincampbell - Posted - 08/24/2009: 05:11:22
You are right about that. Great song, and they nailed it. and getting to see JD up close is great.
Kevin
tct1w - Posted - 08/24/2009: 05:35:27
Yeah I agree that JD is the master. Ive seen him a couple of time in at festivals and its always great to here him live. I love how he "rocks back and forth from the F position to the C position and throws in some high backup. Awesome
Tim-mater - Posted - 08/24/2009: 06:18:46
WOW! Great video of a great picker. Ya need to watch this once a day everyday. Thanks for the tip Bill.
caloscalzo - Posted - 08/24/2009: 09:03:06
Wow. Great video. Thanks for the link.
Craig
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From the Heart of the Bluegrass
formertd - Posted - 08/24/2009: 10:32:56
sorry to repectfully disagree but for my ears that was WAY too much banjo backup.
If you are with a group that just loves the sound of backup banjo then go ahead and play that way , but I would rather have heard more fiddle fills or other instrument fills.
JD can play that way because he runs that band, He is in charge and he will tell everyone in the band how much backup to play.
But to my ears I prefer less banjo backup.
Just my opinion, I'm sure everyone else disagrees. But the jam circles I play , if you play that much, we tell you to "turn it down".
Bill Rogers - Posted - 08/24/2009: 11:50:10
It was a banjo playing advice post--not a band sound post. The point wasn't whether there should be more or less banjo. I posted the link so players could see how it was done--how much to do is up to each player. In this case the overload of banjo is helpful to banjo players trying to learn licks and approaches to backup; as you note, the video in its entirety is a note on overall sound of a band--however one takes it..
Bill
dougcossin - Posted - 08/24/2009: 11:51:00
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Originally posted by formertd
sorry to repectfully disagree but for my ears that was WAY too much banjo backup.
I agree that the modern bluegrass sound requires more subtle banjo back up. But come on, for all the years he's been playing, he deserves to be showcased, so I can't complain. Doug in WV
spoonfed - Posted - 08/24/2009: 12:21:53
yeah thats good stuff for us banjo learners and as they appear to be in G, its like a hat full of lessons too, by the way doesnt that bass player seem unable to tear his eyes off old JD ?
spoonfed
Prof - Posted - 08/24/2009: 12:27:50
I'd much rather hear banjo than a fiddle! I think in a jam situation you have to be careful to blend in with the background since there are potentially several people playing in a relatively non-coordinated manner. Therefore, a more "subtle" method might be a good thing. But I love hearing the more elaborate backup in a band scenario.
Dan
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jeremy blankenship - Posted - 08/24/2009: 12:44:13
MY HOW I LOVE SOME GOOD OLD CROWE!!!!!!! All these years and he's still got it.... Awsome video and this is imo the best band jd has had in many years.
Jeremy
shut up and pick!!!
banjo321 - Posted - 08/24/2009: 15:59:11
how many banjo players does it take to play back up? One named J.D. crowe. and every banjo player on the banjo hangout to figure out if he's doing it right or wrong or to much or not subtle enough or loud enough etc. etc. etc.
Flying Eagle - Posted - 08/24/2009: 16:41:40
JD is still doing an amazing job. I hope he can keep going for several more years.
Dwight and Ricky are STRONG. SON!! Wish I could find some musicians like that around here.
fixdent - Posted - 08/24/2009: 17:03:44
Not too much banjo for me......
Real nice....
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Gordon
chickenpickin - Posted - 08/24/2009: 19:10:32
That, in my opinion is just the way the sound system was setup for that venue and maybe J. D. 's mic was up just a bit. Actually, I didn't think he was playing over anybody. He usually stays back away from the mic unless he's doing a lead break. Also the camera was on the side where J.D. happened to be and was probably picking him up a bit more. He was playing back up no different than he has always played back up. Man, the tone of his banjo is outstanding! Thanks for posting Bill.
Tim
Happy Pickin'' from the Chicken
OSCAR82AA - Posted - 08/24/2009: 19:37:31
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I think people who come to see JD Crowe play want to see JD Crowe play.
The man has paid his dues.
Edited by - OSCAR82AA on 08/24/2009 19:38:38
Tom Dooley - Posted - 08/24/2009: 20:53:27
True to form as a "new guy", I'd never heard of J.D. Crowe............LORDY, what an artist! I listened to that first tune and had to keep clicking on the ones that follwed. I think good bluegrass must be a highly addictive substance.
Deaf David - Posted - 08/24/2009: 21:05:16
I don't know who that young bass player is, but I figure he has to be good to get in the band with J.D. I thought there was a lesson in where the bass player was looking when he wasn't at the mic. No doubt who was leading that band.
One of my "complaints" (as if it mattered) about his playing in recent times is that he was holding back too much. I saw him play several times in Lexington, Ky back in the early to mid 70's and there wasn't much hold back to any of the band members then. He could flat out set a place on fire. Of course, having Tony Rice on guitar and Ricky Skaggs on mandolin didn't hurt the cause.
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fgodbey - Posted - 08/24/2009: 22:49:38
That's John Bowman on bass. His credits include Doyle Lawson & Quicksilver and The Isaacs, among others. Fine musician & singer.
As far as too much banjo... to my taste Crowe's playing on this clip is, as always, balanced, tasteful & appropriate. He's always at the right place at the right time -- he knows when to back off and he knows when to bear down -- and I hear nothing in this clip to alter my opinion. And I say all that as a fan of great bluegrass banjo playing... not because Crowe lives down the road from me...
--Cheers, Frank
Edited by - fgodbey on 08/24/2009 22:50:27
SandyR - Posted - 08/25/2009: 01:24:05
Just a guess here, but I think it's very possible JD would've responded (and did, with his "big ears") whenever he heard another instrument (say, fiddle) doing more backup. In fact it was my impression that he looked over at Steve at one point as if to say, "come on in with that fiddle." I know JD enough to know he's never been one to play over anybody or monopolize backup or leads.
Mopick - Posted - 08/25/2009: 05:01:10
Excellent! A great study in X-Y position.
I live in the mountains.....
The mountainous region of Central Florida.
Sugarloaf Mountain; 312 feet above sea level.
Randy
AD3AD3AD3 - Posted - 08/25/2009: 05:49:03
Thanks; this is an excellent clip of a Master picker at work. It's always great to see and hear JD Crowe.
AD3
BobbyC. - Posted - 08/25/2009: 13:14:47
If only we would have had these kind of resources 33 years ago when I started playing!
I think one thing to consider is the quality of the camcorder this tape was made with. May or may not have made much of a difference but I have videos of my old band and the mix always sounded different than it did in real life. Being JD Crowe and the New South, I would expect him to be showcased more.
Either way it's a great lesson.
Joe Larson - Posted - 08/25/2009: 15:24:47
quote:
Originally posted by formertd
sorry to repectfully disagree but for my ears that was WAY too much banjo backup.
If you are with a group that just loves the sound of backup banjo then go ahead and play that way , but I would rather have heard more fiddle fills or other instrument fills.
JD can play that way because he runs that band, He is in charge and he will tell everyone in the band how much backup to play.
But to my ears I prefer less banjo backup.
Just my opinion, I'm sure everyone else disagrees. But the jam circles I play , if you play that much, we tell you to "turn it down".
I thought it was perfect myself. I love the way he vamped when the mando took a break, and how he filled in the spaces in the verses. He did very little fancy stuff and didn't distract from the singing. If anything his backup was understated compared to most of what you hear today. I'm not a big JD fan - his band's just never seem to be enjoying what they do - but his backup is perfect and should be studied IMO. j http://www.youtube.com/profile?user...&view=videosThere''s more to life than playing the banjo, but not a lot more.
pauwac - Posted - 08/25/2009: 17:36:20
I was there when that video was made. It was at the Sugar Maple Festival in Madison, Wisconsin. He also played "Sally Goodin" in that set. What a banjo player. Always something interesting going on.
david in ky - Posted - 08/26/2009: 08:17:26
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A recent appearance--videoed on YouTube. You can't get a better lesson in playing with a band than watching and listening to J.D. Crowe -- here on Roving Gambler:
Right you are... I think I've learned more watching the Dvd clips of F&S old shows than I ever did from the Scruggs book
BobbyC. - Posted - 08/26/2009: 12:46:48
Thanks Sean, that was great.
While I'm at it, I should throw a big thanks to you for your website, there's a lot of great stuff there.
Edited by - BobbyC. on 08/29/2009 19:36:12
pauwac - Posted - 08/26/2009: 16:57:24
Ditto.
Leigh - Posted - 08/26/2009: 18:44:36
Sean, you are tops, man, in my book. Thanks.
Leigh
R.T. - Posted - 08/26/2009: 19:34:18
Bill & Seanray, thanks for posting the videos. After seeing JD and the New South perform in 1974 I went out and bought my first banjo (a $90.Kay). With out a doubt (in my mind) JD is the most tasteful banjo player I have ever seen.
BANJOS ARE FUN
Ron Terrell
chaosfrailer - Posted - 08/26/2009: 23:53:21
Perfect backup. There is never too much banjo backup in my opinion, unless it overpowers everything else. I like a loud, constant backup as long as it's tastefully done, ala J.D. Crowe, Gene Parker, Eddie Adcock. etc. Great video.
Take care, but take it!-Harold Hausenfluck
sammys - Posted - 08/28/2009: 12:59:54
quote:
Originally posted by formertd
sorry to repectfully disagree but for my ears that was WAY too much banjo backup.
If you are with a group that just loves the sound of backup banjo then go ahead and play that way , but I would rather have heard more fiddle fills or other instrument fills.
JD can play that way because he runs that band, He is in charge and he will tell everyone in the band how much backup to play.
But to my ears I prefer less banjo backup.
Just my opinion, I'm sure everyone else disagrees. But the jam circles I play , if you play that much, we tell you to "turn it down".
So if JD was Jamming with you, you would say "J D turn it down a bit would ya man!"  
SandyR - Posted - 08/28/2009: 16:22:48
"Infinitely superior"? How about "equally wonderful," in an apples-and-oranges sort of way.
chaosfrailer - Posted - 08/30/2009: 00:26:32
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Originally posted by Sandy Rothman
"Infinitely superior"? How about "equally wonderful," in an apples-and-oranges sort of way.
Agreed. I take the stuff I love to the exteme. J.D. is awesome too. Take care, but take it!-Harold Hausenfluck
Tim-mater - Posted - 08/31/2009: 22:04:32
Dang these are cool vids. I am way high on this stuff. Great post my friends!
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