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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Up-picking - free or bit fixed picking fingers?


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Mirek Patek - Posted - 06/10/2009:  13:14:44


I have a question to Chip or other two-finger up-picking players:

In case of longer passages of ITITITIT alternating on the same pair of strings (index lead), is the motion going strictly from fingers, or they may get little bit "fixed" to the distance between those two strings and the movement may go also from the rotation of the forearm?

Here is my example on my tenor banjo:


  G                               C
g-----0-0-----0-0|----0-0---0---0|----0-0-----0-0|-
d-----0-------0--|----0----------|----2-------2--|-
G-0--------------|0-------2---4--|5--------------|-etc.
D---------0------|---------------|--------5------|-
  |   |_| |   |_| |   |_| |_|_|_| |   |_| |   |_|
  T   R I T   R I T   R I T I T I T   R I T   R I

There are three bum-ditty patterns (by Thumb, Ring downbrush and Index up-pick) followed by "thumb lead walking bass" into C chord.

Another example with some uke syncopation and even longer "walking bass" sequence:

  G                               C
g-----0-0---0-0--|0-0---0---0---0|----0-0-----0-0|-
d-----0-----0----|0--------------|----2-------2--|-
G-0-------------0|----0---2---4--|5--------------|-etc.
D---------0------|---------------|--------5------|-
  |   |_| |_|_|_| |_|_|_| |_|_|_| |   |_| |   |_|
  T   R I T R I T R I T I T I T I T   R I T   R I

In these TITITI parts I like this "fixed finger distance" approach better than the "free finger" approach when my fingers do all the movement and my wrist does not move. Am I on right track or is it kind of dead end (like the propelling of frailing finger in clawhammer?)

Thanks for your help.
Mirek

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chip arnold - Posted - 06/10/2009:  15:33:58


I really don't understand what you're asking. The examples you give look like thumb lead to me. And you say 2-finger but you're using thumb, index and ring?

In any case, I play index lead, 2-finger and I don't use any other fingers. Just index and thumb. My trailing fingers are resting on the banjo head and all the movement is from my fingers and maybe some contracting of the palm. Any brushing that I do is with my index (picking) finger. I mostly brush upwards but also down at times. Have a listen to the "2-finger explanation" on my music page and that'll tell you what it is that I do.



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Take what is given
Give what is taken

Chip Arnold

chip arnold - Posted - 06/10/2009:  15:41:58


I re-read your post and I think maybe I understand better now. I seldom do a prolonged ITIT pattern on the same two strings. I lile to get that 5th string ringing in there so it sounds like a banjo. But yet there are times when I might stay on the same two strings for a whole measure. When I do, the movement is still all in my fingers. This took longer to get used to than alternating my thumb between inside strings and the 5th string. My style is pretty straight forward and simple. I don't have much interest in getting any new fingers involved or learning other styles. Lots of folks play several instruments and several styles. I'm really just a 2-finger banjo picker :-)

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Take what is given
Give what is taken

Chip Arnold

Mirek Patek - Posted - 06/10/2009:  23:15:31


Chip, thank you for your answers and sorry for my unclear question.

I mentioned „index lead“ because here the 5-string player may sometimes stay on the same pair of strings for a while: index on the same melody string, thumb on 5th string.


d-------------------
b-------------------
G--0---2---0---2----
D-------------------
g----0---0---0---0—
   I T I T I T I T

My question was whether in that case fingers may be „fixed to that distance“ or not. I would play this as „thumb lead“ and (when playing it next to the T-RI bum-ditty patterns) I feel my rhythm is better when i „fix the distance between the fingers“ and rotate the wrist/forearm a bit.

g----0---0---0---0—
d-------------------
G--0---2---0---2----
D-------------------
   T I T I T I T I

Maybe it is because in my T-RI frailing pattern my wrist/forearm is moving and I better keep them moving also in the TITITI sequences rather than stopping their movement and ordering just the TI fingers to do it all.

I’ll work on it more.
Mirek

P.S. Of course when I just fingerpick with TIM (no T-RI bum-ditty around) all the movement goes from the fingers.

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Edited by - Mirek Patek on 06/10/2009 23:27:15

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