Well maybe not rip-offs if you understand what you are buying ...... but ......... you are not getting a lot for your money.
I went to Lowes to day to buy some tile cleaner, since I had re-grouted my bathroom tile and needed to clean off the residue. I walked through the lawn and garden department and saw bunches of gallon and maybe two gallon containers of Round-up, Spectracide, Ortho, etc. grass and weed killer. First, I noticed that Round-up no longer uses Glyphosate as its ingredient in their grass and weed killer. They use something called Triclopyr, which is something I am not familiar with but I understand stays in the soil or root much longer than Glyphosate. I don't have problem with either product, except they are charging about $30 for a "ready to use" gallon when if you had bought the concentrate and mixed it yourself you would use. $.33 of Roundup per gallon of water. So ultimately you are paying $29.67 for a gallon of water. Seems sort of high to me.
Maybe not, but surely not unusual. Drywall mud, pre-mixed anti-freeze, etc. .... the consumer pays handsomely for getting somebody else to add the water ... and haul it around. Probably the same for [some] "convenience" foods??
Charge what the market will bear and/or maximize profits ..... man, living the dream 'r what?? 
Check out the 2 gal premixed weed eater gas for $50 bucks??
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Originally posted by HarleyQCheck out the 2 gal premixed weed eater gas for $50 bucks??
Yep ...... seen that too. How hard is it to pour a couple of dollars worth of oil into two gallons of gas? If I had bought that stuff after Hurricane Helene I would have gone broke!
the pre mix is for the guy with 2 dandelions growing in his concrete sidewalk or driveway. the yard crew takes care of the rest.
and glyphosate stays in the ground around 6 months while triclopyr usually breaks down in 2 to 3 months
i normally try to get HI-yield or RM 43 for weed killer... its fast and last longer,, both are concentrates and HI-yield is about 20 to 25 bucks at the hardware store... while RM43 is 35 to 45 ,,, its stout.
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Originally posted by 1935tb-11the pre mix is for the guy with 2 dandelions growing in his concrete sidewalk or driveway. the yard crew takes care of the rest.
and glyphosate stays in the ground around 6 months while triclopyr usually breaks down in 2 to 3 months
i normally try to get HI-yield or RM 43 for weed killer... its fast and last longer,, both are concentrates and HI-yield is about 20 to 25 bucks at the hardware store... while RM43 is 35 to 45 ,,, its stout.
It is very rare for Glysophate to stay in the ground for more than a few day and extremely rare for it to stay for 6 months. Glysophate is a systemic and you can usually plant grass or your garden just a few days after applying Glysophate to weeds/grass. It is a waste of it to soak the ground as it does no good unless it is making contact with a plant leaf. It isn't prohibiting any new plant from germinating like a preemergent.
PS:
RM43 is Glysophate with an added preemergent that prevents weeds from coming back for a certain length of time. Certainly not something you would want to use where you are planting a garden or replanting your lawn.
Edited by - BanjoLink on 03/09/2026 06:26:32
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Originally posted by BanjoLinkquote:
Originally posted by 1935tb-11the pre mix is for the guy with 2 dandelions growing in his concrete sidewalk or driveway. the yard crew takes care of the rest.
and glyphosate stays in the ground around 6 months while triclopyr usually breaks down in 2 to 3 months
i normally try to get HI-yield or RM 43 for weed killer... its fast and last longer,, both are concentrates and HI-yield is about 20 to 25 bucks at the hardware store... while RM43 is 35 to 45 ,,, its stout.It is very rare for Glysophate to stay in the ground for more than a few day and extremely rare for it to stay for 6 months. Glysophate is a systemic and you can usually plant grass or your garden just a few days after applying Glysophate to weeds/grass. It is a waste of it to soak the ground as it does no good unless it is making contact with a plant leaf. It isn't prohibiting any new plant from germinating like a preemergent.
PS:
RM43 is Glysophate with an added preemergent that prevents weeds from coming back for a certain length of time. Certainly not something you would want to use where you are planting a garden or replanting your lawn.
you right about a few days for planting what i should have said its effectiveness is a few days and it still has residue up to 3 to 6 months but not effective.
i have used HI-yield last couple of years and very pleased with it
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Originally posted by 1935tb-11quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLinkquote:
Originally posted by 1935tb-11the pre mix is for the guy with 2 dandelions growing in his concrete sidewalk or driveway. the yard crew takes care of the rest.
and glyphosate stays in the ground around 6 months while triclopyr usually breaks down in 2 to 3 months
i normally try to get HI-yield or RM 43 for weed killer... its fast and last longer,, both are concentrates and HI-yield is about 20 to 25 bucks at the hardware store... while RM43 is 35 to 45 ,,, its stout.It is very rare for Glysophate to stay in the ground for more than a few day and extremely rare for it to stay for 6 months. Glysophate is a systemic and you can usually plant grass or your garden just a few days after applying Glysophate to weeds/grass. It is a waste of it to soak the ground as it does no good unless it is making contact with a plant leaf. It isn't prohibiting any new plant from germinating like a preemergent.
PS:
RM43 is Glysophate with an added preemergent that prevents weeds from coming back for a certain length of time. Certainly not something you would want to use where you are planting a garden or replanting your lawn.
you right about a few days for planting what i should have said its effectiveness is a few days and it still has residue up to 3 to 6 months but not effective.
i have used HI-yield last couple of years and very pleased with it
Yeah .... I think Hi-Yield makes several different products and I looked at their Atrazine for my yard, but that particular product is only for St. Augustine and Centipede lawns. I use (used) Round-up for weeds in places where I did not intend to grow grass and used a product from Tractors Supply that contained either MSMA or 2,4-D for the weeds in my Tall Fescue. I have already put down a material that contains fertilizer and a preemergent. I'm still betting that I will be loaded with Crabgrass staring in June. It is a continuous fight ....... which I always seem to lose!
less grass ... less mowing ... our yard is poor soil ,,, it had been farmed hard by my people for over 100 years before we built ... tobacco and corn takes a lot out of the soil.
Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 03/10/2026 05:20:51
This is the first I'm hearing of this and haven't actually read up on it, but it looks like glyphosate residue in soil might have met it's match .... sauerkraut: https://www.google.com/search?q=sauerkraut+degrades+glyphosate&sca_esv=91f788fc0d48d683&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA1116CA1116&ei=YLvVaZ_lE7KfptQP9fO54Aw&biw=1600&bih=773&ved=0ahUKEwiflYrTmN2TAxWyj4kEHfV5DswQ4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=sauerkraut+degrades+glyphosate&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiHnNhdWVya3JhdXQgZGVncmFkZXMgZ2x5cGhvc2F0ZTIFECEYnwVIv0BQxAdY0SJwAXgAkAEAmAGbAaABvAqqAQM0Lji4AQPIAQD4AQGYAg2gAsgLwgIHEAAYsAMYHsICDhAAGIAEGLADGIYDGIoFwgIIEAAYsAMY7wXCAgsQABiABBiwAxiiBMICBhAAGAcYHsICCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFwgIFEAAY7wXCAggQABiABBiiBMICCBAAGKIEGIkFwgIIECEYoAEYwwTCAgoQIRigARjDBBgKmAMAiAYBkAYHkgcDNC45oAfOKLIHAzMuObgHwAvCBwcwLjEuOS4zyAdTgAgA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
.... I don't wanna think of what this could do to the price of cabbage. When the price of lettuce goes [to what we consider] too high, we often switch to coleslaw, until it comes down, or we find lettuce on sale. I don't expect we'll ever need a plan "C," but I sure ain't gonna switch to spinach!! 
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Originally posted by OwenThis is the first I'm hearing of this and haven't actually read up on it, but it looks like glyphosate residue in soil might have met it's match .... sauerkraut: https://www.google.com/search?q=sauerkraut+degrades+glyphosate&sca_esv=91f788fc0d48d683&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA1116CA1116&ei=YLvVaZ_lE7KfptQP9fO54Aw&biw=1600&bih=773&ved=0ahUKEwiflYrTmN2TAxWyj4kEHfV5DswQ4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=sauerkraut+degrades+glyphosate&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiHnNhdWVya3JhdXQgZGVncmFkZXMgZ2x5cGhvc2F0ZTIFECEYnwVIv0BQxAdY0SJwAXgAkAEAmAGbAaABvAqqAQM0Lji4AQPIAQD4AQGYAg2gAsgLwgIHEAAYsAMYHsICDhAAGIAEGLADGIYDGIoFwgIIEAAYsAMY7wXCAgsQABiABBiwAxiiBMICBhAAGAcYHsICCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFwgIFEAAY7wXCAggQABiABBiiBMICCBAAGKIEGIkFwgIIECEYoAEYwwTCAgoQIRigARjDBBgKmAMAiAYBkAYHkgcDNC45oAfOKLIHAzMuObgHwAvCBwcwLjEuOS4zyAdTgAgA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
.... I don't wanna think of what this could do to the price of cabbage. When the price of lettuce goes [to what we consider] too high, we often switch to coleslaw, until it comes down, or we find lettuce on sale. I don't expect we'll ever need a plan "C," but I sure ain't gonna switch to spinach!!
I don't know about the sauerkraut part, but the second paragraph of the article is a factually wrong, so I usually stop reading when stories misrepresent facts.
Along the same lines, I’m starting to make my own windshield wiper fluid too.
We go through a lot of it in our area especially in winter and bug season, and they are charging $4.89 - $8.00 per gallon depending on where you buy. It’s water and a little alcohol with. Pinch of dish soap. They add the blue, yellow, green or purple to make it magically more expensive!!! NO MORE!!!
Slammer!!!
Winter + bug season??? .... What's left?
But, but, but ... you have options ... hold off until your wife lets you know she's having trouble seeing thru the windshield.
I guess a benefit [cough, cough] of colder winters is that it reduces fluid usage. I use relatively little; maybe a jug a year?? ^^ prices seem high ... I pretty much only ever buy it when it's on sale .... don't recall paying more than $4 Cdn. for 3.78l [pretty close to a US gallon] jug. $4 of our money is about $2.80 of that funny lookin' stuff youse guys use.
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