the book is medication madness

can you read

Dave Jack and others of you educators know that society is outgrowing itself with overcrowding.
There is a constant number of 12% of people needing services
Then we need to allot enough funds by willing taxation to care for them
Things changed 25 years ago with a rapid influx of various degrees of autism on a newly defined spectrum which is in constant revision.

There are so many new ways to ignore a child from wherever

Music works really well to heal

Arizona used to be funded 47th of 50
Now because of a pregnancy and un detected birth with a profoundly afflicted citizen, services have gone completely overboard and many many families have moved in and ballooned the waiting list because of undersupervised progression to independence.
In other words institutionalization has returned where turnover and abuse and neglect have created a static funding need that is off center
Things change
Consider this: we need their strength.
Assembly lines and production don’t run themselves and Artificial Intelligence is drinking all the freshwater
Cherish the family without too much fundamentalist fear
Education everybody needs is really easy to discard and really hard to mandate

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Originally posted by TB327

can you read

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Huh??

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Mark Twain:  “The man who does not read has no advantage over the man who cannot read.”   ??

A sixth grader is approximately 12 years old.
My wife was approximately 14, when she and her female friends would hide the home-made "zip guns" of their male friends.
(Less likely to be searched, or something)
Single shot pistols, made from parts available in the local hardware stores, some 70 years ago.

As for "thought and prayers", I shall post a separate reply, which the mods can delete, if it violates the "No Religion" ban.

Thoughts and prayers about shootings:
Rumors persist that there is a Supernatural Being, capable of affecting the physical world on the molecular level.
Turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt.
Similar rumors about someone turning water into wine.
But neither of them will interfere with a shooter's Free Will to pull the trigger.
That's THEIR Rules.
Why not pray to Them.

OK, I'm not the boss of Them.

BUT! Why not SPECIFICALLY pray to Them to use their Molecule Affecting POWER to turn the gunpowder into peanut butter, AS the trigger is being pulled?
No interference with Free Will, but, no bullets come out.
Nobody gets shot.
Win/win!

It doesn't answer your question, but ........ the success rate for wife >> salt might well be 100% .... can the same be said for gunpowder >> peanut butter?  

And as I think a bit more about it, was the wife >> salt and/or the water >> wine  .... a result of prayer??... or thoughts??  ... or??

it also causes 9 kinds of cancer number one is brain cancer look up jordan peterson my mom died from brain cancer doctors do not know what is in drugs only a pharmicist does

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Originally posted by Jon Borcherding

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Originally posted by RB3

Jon Borcherding,

If you want to shoot someone, you need a gun. If you can't get a gun, you can't shoot anyone. How's that for bullet-proof logic?

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If you want to start a fire, you need matches, or a lighter, or flint and steel, or bow drill, etc. etc.

There are an estimated 500 million privately owned firearms in the USA alone.  That's not going to change any time soon.  The best way to reduce the level of violence is to focus our efforts on behavior.

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The use if guns takes the violence to a whole other level.

You live in a country where a huge lot of people say that the way to reduce violence is to have more guns. How has that been working out?

It's working out pretty good when you consider that Americans live in the only country with a constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms and the USA is (still) be the best place on earth to live. That is why millions of people are trying to come and live here.
If you can't agree with that, we don't have enough common ground on which to base an honest discussion about constitutionally guaranteed freedoms.

Fwiw, stuff like the US being responsible for maybe 100 regime changes* [and all the misery/suffering that that entails] since WWII, along with US travelers back in the 60s removing, or covering, the US flag on their backpacks carries significant weight with me.        But I do acknowledge that sometimes I can be a bit of an outlier.   

* according to Jeffery Sachs.

Edit: Jon, what proportion of the families and friends of victims of mass shootings do you suppose would see it as "pretty good"?

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Originally posted by Owen

 

Edit: Jon, what proportion of the families and friends of victims of mass shootings do you suppose would see it as "pretty good"?

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I'm not sure but my guess would be all of them. 

Every free person currently living in the USA has the freedom to leave anytime they want if they believe there is a better life to be had elsewhere.  You may have noticed numerous celebrities who left in a huff after 1/20/24 have quietly returned.  Why do you suppose that is?

As I have pointed out numerous times, firearms technology is 1000 years old.  It's not going away.  Human beings are violent creatures.  

I'm ignorant of those that left in a huff and equally ignorant of those that have returned ... whether quietly or with great fanfare.   I did a bit of Googling w.r.t. "why" immigrants choose the US ... lots of very valid reasons* [economic opportunity seems to be #1] , but one I didn't come across was the right to own/bear arms.  I don't know a lot about immigration law, but it seems to me that the country that a person wants to go to would have some say in the matter.   

I concur, firearm technology is old hat; it's not going away and humans tend to be violent.  So???

Not being terribly well-versed on the second amendment, I figure it's application/use is probably like most other things .... neither black nor white, but mucho gray.

* one that sticks with me [though I can't quote it verbatim] was from a National Geographic article [old enough to be in a doctors waiting room] where a woman trying to get from Guatemala into Mexico said something akin to: "It's just need that makes you do certain things."

I offer up a Canadian "Sorry" for disagreeing to the point of having to resort to dishonesty.   

Owen wrote:

Not being terribly well-versed on the second amendment, I figure it's application/use is probably like most other things .... neither black nor white, but mucho gray.

Your "mucho gray" metaphor is particularly ill suited to describe something that has been established by numerous USSC cases.  And, no... I'm not going to dig up the individual cases to "prove" it to you.  The 2A establishes an individual right to keep and bear arms by all US citizens with the exception of violent felons.  The RKBA is clearly intended to enable citizens to defend themselves from violent crime and tyranny.  This has been firmly established in USSC case law.  

Your unfamiliarity with the 2A is why you fail to see the citizen's right to keep and bear arms is an integral part of US culture, history, law and prevailing ethos to this very day.  It (RKBA) is inseparable from the rest of the constitution and our American way of life.  When I say inseparable I mean it in the literal sense.  The day that a US govt. denies its citizens that right is the day the govt. becomes illegitimate and civil war will follow resulting in a bloodbath the likes of which has never been witnessed on this continent.

I don't expect foreigners to understand. 

I don't expect foreigners to approve.

When I travel abroad, I follow the laws of the country I am in.  When I'm home in the USA I enjoy the freedoms enshrined in the supreme law of the land: The United States Constitution. 

All of it.

I guess I wasn't clear.  It's not the clarity of the actual law I "wonder" about; more the effects that it produces.   I don't "fail to see that the right to bear arms is an integral part, etc.... ."  However I do "wonder" about  a place whose citizens need it to keep them from bloodbath-ing each other...... .  However, having said that, I do see some merit in, "defense from government tyranny." ... so like I said: lots of gray.

Although, if the saying that, "In a democracy we get the government we deserve." holds water, I don't really understand why/how people would elect a government that would give them cause to have to defend themselves against it.  ["Of the people, by the people, against the people."??]

I dreamed up a [strictly] mental exercise this aft.... IF people who have experienced life in other developed countries [like Australia, NZ, Japan, Canada (?), Western Europe / I apologize in advance for leaving some out] were told that they had to move to another developed country, I "wonder" what proportion would happily choose the US.

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I guess I wasn't clear.  It's not the clarity of the actual law I "wonder" about; more the effects that it produces.   I don't "fail to see that the right to bear arms is an integral part, etc.... ."  However I do "wonder" about  a place whose citizens need it to keep them from bloodbath-ing each other...... .  However, having said that, I do see some merit in, "defense from government tyranny." ... so like I said: lots of gray.  Independence, self reliance and individuality are all qualities that persist as part of the collective American persona.  We don't "need the it (2A) to keep from bloodbath-ing each other".  "Need" isn't part of the equation.  We have a RIGHT to keep and bear arms.  Violating fundamental rights leads to violence.

Although, if the saying that, "In a democracy we get the government we deserve." holds water, I don't really understand why/how people would elect a government that would give them cause to have to defend themselves against it.  ["Of the people, by the people, against the people."??]  The election process in the USA is in trouble.  Mail-in voting, Voting Machines, Gerrymandering, Non citizens voting, corrupted voter rolls, etc. are some of the issues currently calling into question the validity of our elections.  Moreover, the USA is not a democracy.  It was founded as a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives.  This distinction is important.  The constitution is the supreme law of the land and it is meant to protect all citizens from overreach by their govt.  The constitution gives NO rights to the government, rather, it codifies and enshrines the rights of the people and limits the power of govt. 

I dreamed up a [strictly] mental exercise this aft.... IF people who have experienced life in other developed countries [like Australia, NZ, Japan, Canada (?), Western Europe / I apologize in advance for leaving some out] were told that they had to move to another developed country, I "wonder" what proportion would happily choose the US.  I can't imagine anyone being happy to be forced to live anywhere.  I have lived in Canada and Norway.  In both cases I was happy to return to the USA.  I didn't realize how much I loved the USA until I spent a few years in another country.  

Honestly, if the folks in your thought-experiment were not happily choosing the USA, I wouldn't have a problem with that at all.  I don't expect everyone to love the USA, but I do.

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I'd be mucho surprised IF you did have a problem ... but I don't let that stop me from "wondering." 

[I keep forgetting that the US is apparently a representative democracy, and not a direct democracy.  Not that it matters, but do these guys know what they're talking about?   https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic#:~:text=Yes%2C%20the%20United%20States%20is,we%20are%20a%20%E2%80%9Crepresentative%20democracy.%E2%80%9D ]

What were the major drawbacks w.r.t. Canada / Norway? [Inquiring minds want to know!!  ]

NOT attributable to Mark Twain: "God created war so that Americans would learn some geography."  

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NOT attributable to Mark Twain: "God created war so that Americans would learn some geography."  

 

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Nope.  That one is attributable to a man who is willing mock God and Americans in one sentence.

Knock yerself out, Owen.  I'm done here.

Well, I figure it's like most other jokes .... it helps if there's some kernel of truth. 

Fwiw,  both me and my wife thought we saw some humor in it.  YMMV?

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Originally posted by Jon Borcherding

It's working out pretty good when you consider that Americans live in the only country with a constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms and the USA is (still) be the best place on earth to live. That is why millions of people are trying to come and live here.
If you can't agree with that, we don't have enough common ground on which to base an honest discussion about constitutionally guaranteed freedoms.

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Hardly, according to multiple surveys, ranking various aspects of living. And it's getting worse.

Dunno whether it's tangentially related or not, but late this past fall we camped a couple of towns west of here.  There were only about 4 other campers, and as we're wont to do we invited a couple of them to share our campfire after supper.  One of 'em did ... a fellow from somewhere in the southeast US heading for Alaska, saying that he'd "...absolutely 'had it with the lower 48' [with no intention of coming back]."   Rather than press him for details, I gave him my impression of "things American" .... with the rider that some of it could be stereotypical in nature.   His take on my take was that it was: "...100% spot-on; nothing stereotypical at all."

In any event, he'd spent a good part of the summer getting  his Canadian citizenship in order; with a trip to Nova Scotia on his way to SK, to visit some of his relatives' gravesites.  Interestingly (?) it turned out it was not far from my wife's old stomping grounds.... though she didn't know the family.   We didn't ask, but our suspicion is that  Canada would be his "Plan B."

[I don't offer ^^ as "proof" of anything; maybe the couple that didn't accept our invite would have found I was total B.S. .... but, fwiw, I did find his comment somewhat satisfying.  Who knows???? ....  maybe I know more than I know I know*??   ]

* Thanks Donald Rumsfeld.

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Originally posted by Owen

I'd be mucho surprised IF you did have a problem ... but I don't let that stop me from "wondering." 

[I keep forgetting that the US is apparently a representative democracy, and not a direct democracy.  Not that it matters, but do these guys know what they're talking about?   https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic#:~:text=Yes%2C%20the%20United%20States%20is,we%20are%20a%20%E2%80%9Crepresentative%20democracy.%E2%80%9D ]

What were the major drawbacks w.r.t. Canada / Norway? [Inquiring minds want to know!!  ]

NOT attributable to Mark Twain: "God created war so that Americans would learn some geography."  

 

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Any fans of Bob & Ray / "The Komodo Dragon" in here?   

Just sharing my thoughts, there just seems to be so much anger being fueled these days and turning people against each other, it is just to easy to be angry at everything. We've turned from a melting pot to a boiling pot that is boiling over into our neighboring countries it seems. The other thing, at one time mass shootings, school shootings, were rare. When we saw one it was an inexplicable aberration. But over time they have become so common that they no longer are. Sure, we give them lip service by predicating our responses with how terrible they are, but then we just write them off as this or that, generally throwing the blame on some subgroup of people that does not fit into our own narrative and wash our hands of it til the next one.

I don't see this all as a result of "kids these days." I grew up in a small rural town in Iowa during the 50s and 60s. There was plenty of disfunction in those days. In fact, my mom's favorite diatribe was directed at the parents of "latch key kids," while at the same time, three out of five days I came home to an empty house and a key hanging from a nail out in the garage to get in. I had no idea where she went and still don't, but she always got home before my dad did. So in my case anyway, pointing to kids now-a-days and saying that shootings are a result of a lack of parental guidance would be a little hypocritical, at least on my part. Maybe some people back then lived the Norman Rockwell lifestyle and look back at it as defining who they are, but not everyone from back in the day does.