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Originally posted by Mad Hornet

Another mentally ill person who was used to manufacture a school shooting in an effort to take every last firearm from law abiding citizens in Canada. Sadly it will probably work.

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Sorry Anthony , I find this comment reprehensible,,, but then I've seen your beliefs laid out on this forum before..."snakes behind the curtain"....?

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Originally posted by chuckv97

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Originally posted by Mad Hornet

Another mentally ill person who was used to manufacture a school shooting in an effort to take every last firearm from law abiding citizens in Canada. Sadly it will probably work.

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Sorry Anthony , I find this comment reprehensible,,, but then I've seen your beliefs laid out on this forum before. 

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That's okay.  I find the practice of using mentally ill people to commit atrocities to be reprehensible.  Many people find it very difficult to comprehend the level of evil that is our reality.  I wish it weren't so - all of it.  

Anthony, who is using mentally ill people to commit atrocities?

I find Jon's ^^ mention of "rejection of spirituality" intriguing.  Not to hi-jack the thread, but I dunno to what extent I have/embrace spirituality as whatever I read on the subject seems a lot of mumbo-jumbo.   I don't pooh-pooh it for anybody that benefits from it, and I don't put  myself out there as a basis for extrapolation, but I don't see it as a cross-the-board necessity.     

Maybe "We're lost, but we're makin' good time" is all we can realistically aspire to.  

The term “spirituality” can encompass a lot of things,, it doesn’t necessarily have to be traditional religious beliefs. Try “awesome”, “numinous”, “wonder”, “soul”, and fer an ex-farmer “prayin’ the hens keep laying”

Yes, a l-o-t of things.... that's why this KISS guy sees mumbo-jumbo.   Like I mentioned before, I have no problem with YMMV.

[Kinda like getting music/banjo "explained" to me.   And now look where this gets me      >>>  gotta put the old trope: Not a plea for advice or referral to some teacher/method/program... just a c'est la vie observation. ]

Edit: When we tried farming on our own we didn't have chickens.... 'twas my wife's decision and there was no pushback from me... though our neighbours initially thought us kind "different."   In any event, when we switched to dairy I think keeping poultry was very mucho discouraged [if not an outright no-no] .... something to do with transmitting some disease or other, IIRC.

mumbo-jumbo , a dismissive term for banjo technique explanations, animal husbandry, and Yogi Berra-isms?

Not dismissive [i.e. as mentioned ^^ "I don't pooh-pooh it ... "] for anybody that benefits from it/them.   I don't discount/dismiss/pooh-pooh the possible role of, "there but for fortune..." in my life.

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Originally posted by 1935tb-11

if you can find a 6th grader who can build a semi auto weapon from hardware store items,,, bill gates has a position open building software for them making millions for someone that advanced.

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The Pachuko gang members were building "zip guns"  clear back in the 1940's.  Young kids using hardware store items.  Here is what the internet says:

• Construction: Typically made using pipes, springs, and firing pins, which can be easily assembled into functional weapons.

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Originally posted by RB3

"The idea that violence can be eliminated with legislation is not logical." 

Jon Borcherding - This is true concerning the punitive model that is followed by most of the western world, including the U.S..  I would point to the positive model offered by Switzerland of training, national indoctrination and more consistent standards of living as a successful example (like the 1950's US, except organized and legislated).  note: Switzerland is considered second to the U.S. in per capita gun ownership.  

https://www.google.com/search?q=switzerland+gun+ownership+per+capita

With respect to violence with the use of a gun, someone needs to explain this to the folks in Japan. With a population of slightly more than 122 million, there are 10 to 15 gun deaths each year in Japan, and that's in a bad year. Gun ownership in Japan is very low, so it's difficult for them to shoot each other.

RB3 - There are many other countries (like Canada with about half the per capita homicides) that have a shared culture with the U.S. and offer a more substantiative argument than Japan.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
 

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Originally posted by RB3

Jon Borcherding,

If you want to shoot someone, you need a gun. If you can't get a gun, you can't shoot anyone. How's that for bullet-proof logic?

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I guess only stupid people will not have a gun then..

I can build a not fancy firearm from easyahly obtained items..

Ammo too..as well as bomb making things..

Never underestimate a motivated..sick mind...

These people are nuts..but might not be stupid..

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Originally posted by 1935tb-11

if you can find a 6th grader who can build a semi auto weapon from hardware store items,,, bill gates has a position open building software for them making millions for someone that advanced.

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The Pachuko gang members were building "zip guns"  clear back in the 1940's.  Young kids using hardware store items.  Here is what the internet says:

Key details regarding zip guns and improvised weapons include:

• Construction: Typically made using pipes, springs, and firing pins, which can be easily assembled into functional weapons.

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building a recoil firing pin and feeder magazine from hardware store items is quite a task to make semi auto weapon....

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Originally posted by 1935tb-11

if you can find a 6th grader who can build a semi auto weapon from hardware store items,,, bill gates has a position open building software for them making millions for someone that advanced.

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Show us where Bill Gates has posted this job opening.

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i am sure he is always on the look out for young geniuses ,,, surely ,,, wouldn't you think ?

.” there were 5,748 mass shootings between Jan. 1, 2013, and Sept. 15, 2025, according to the GVA. “OF THAT NUMBER OF INCIDENTS, there have been FIVE CONFIRMED Transgender shooters,” Mark Bryant, the GVA’s founding executive director, told us in an email.” - FactCheck.org

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/09/few-mass-shooters-have-been-transgender/

Lots of misinformation out there about violent trans people,  likely a smoke screen for their hatred of folks that are different. 

There is a disturbing pattern and noticing that had nothing to do with hatred.

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There is a disturbing pattern and noticing that had nothing to do with hatred.

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Bill, could you clarify and post links ?  Thnx

Link  to some further insights: https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2228692/mother-of-critically-injured-tumbler-ridge-victim-says-she-feels-compassion-for-shooters-mother 

In ^^ article, the mother of Maya Gebala says rather pointedly: "People are trying to politicize what this is about,  [...] It's not about guns. It's not about transgenderism. It's about mental health. It's about a lack of resources." 

  She may not know more about it than everybody, but she sure as hello is better informed than I am.

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Originally posted by Owen

Link  to some further insights: https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2228692/mother-of-critically-injured-tumbler-ridge-victim-says-she-feels-compassion-for-shooters-mother 

In ^^ article, the mother of Maya Gebala says rather pointedly: "People are trying to politicize what this is about,  [...] It's not about guns. It's not about transgenderism. It's about mental health. It's about a lack of resources." 

  She may not know more about it than everybody, but she sure as hello is better informed than I am.

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Yeah, I saw that she knew the shooter's mother (and even babysat the shooter when he was little) and that the mother did everything she could to help her kids. But who knows - broken home, moving around the country constantly, mental illness,,, re "lack of resources" ; definitely a big issue. Years ago they shut down a lot of mental hospitals - I don't know if that's the answer but at least unstable people were behind locked doors. 

 

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building a recoil firing pin and feeder magazine from hardware store items is quite a task to make semi auto weapon....

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Don't have to go to a hardware store and jerry-rig.  Any gun part that isn't serialized anybody can buy.  BATF says only serialized parts are a "gun".
I can buy an entire AR except for the finished lower receiver online.   I can buy a barrel, stocks, upper receiver, bolt, follower, firing pin, and all the other internals.  I can also buy the T-6 hardened aluminum lower online for $79 without any background checks IF the trigger and mag well haven't been pre-milled by the manufacturer.  Only once it's been milled by the manufacturer, it's a "gun" so says BATF.
And BATF says I can't buy all the other parts at the same time I buy the 80% lower, else it's a "gun".  I have to order them at different times (ex: order the 80% lower on Monday and the rest of the parts on Friday after the shop has mailed the lower, he can't ship them together in the same box).  If I want to be a cheap ass I can buy the un-milled polymer lower receiver for $49.

To do the milling all anyone needs is a drill press with a cross-slide vise, although a more precise mill is preferable.   That's one of the reasons some manufacturers put the serial # on the frame, on the slide, and on the barrel.  So you can't legally buy the major parts to build a gun with going through an FFL.

Of course, that's federal law.  Individual states laws might be more restrictive.   Here in NC I can own a machine gun.  I just have to pay a ridiculously high tax to the BATF, have a more thorough background check, register it with the local PD,  and wait 6 months for a tax stamp to arrive.   NC just changed the law a few years ago so that now it's legal to hunt with a suppressor.  So for another few hundred, another tax payment, and another background check I can have a suppressor.   My buddy constantly brags about the four "silencers" he owns.  

Is it any wonder other countries raise an eyebrow at our guns laws?  It's a legal harmless piece of metal if it isn't milled; it's a "deadly assault rifle" if it's bought milled, but anyone who can change the oil in their truck can mill it at home.  

In fact, that's how David Koresh got on the BATF radar.  The UPS man snitched because he was delivering dozens and dozens of packages with return labels from gun shops and the UPS dude though it was odd.  While it was legal, it made BATF start digging deeper and getting other agencies involved. 

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Originally posted by Mad Hornet

Another mentally ill person who was used to manufacture a school shooting in an effort to take every last firearm from law abiding citizens in Canada. Sadly it will probably work.

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Sorry Anthony , I find this comment reprehensible,,, but then I've seen your beliefs laid out on this forum before..."snakes behind the curtain"....?

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I don't know if I can agree that all (most) of our gun crime is because of gay people.  I mean, we've had gay people since before documented history, and we've had guns for the last 200+ years (at least here in America).   Doesn't seem to me it's become a problem until recently.  

When I was in high school I went to school everyday with a shotgun and 30-30 Winchester hanging in the rear window of my truck.  LEFT THE DOORS UNLOCKED even.  No one messed with them.  One day I was telling the principal about my new Franchi over/under.  He came out to the truck in the school parking lot with me and checked it out.   Our 11th grade "hunter safety course" was, my Ag teacher Mr. Wellons told us to bring our shotguns to school the next day.  We all loaded up on the school activity bus and went to his farm nearby and shot skeet for an hour and a half.  Nobody ever shot up the school.   We didn't have to have cops in the hallways.  Or metal detectors at the doors.  I'm pretty sure they never even locked the doors because after football and basketball games we could still sneak into the school after 10pm to do mischief (I stole the bean-bag bulldog mascot off the trophy case in the hallway after a game one Friday night.  Mama made me give it back.  LOL)

Try that today and the swat team would show up.   Something surely has changed.  But I don't believe it's sexual preference.  I might agree it could be some of the drugs they take to try to "transform" or whatever they call it, but I don't know enough about the "transition process" to have enough knowledge to argue my point.

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Try that today and the swat team would show up.   Something surely has changed.  But I don't believe it's sexual preference.  I might agree it could be some of the drugs they take to try to "transform" or whatever they call it, but I don't know enough about the "transition process" to have enough knowledge to argue my point.

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The drugs used in medical transition are androgens or estrogens, i.e. the same sex hormones all of us have got. If these are dangerous, then we may just as well blame all the 99.9% of mass shootings committed by cissex people on their testes or ovaries.

It's curious to see how much mention there is of transsexual people in this topic given the lack of any established pattern, as mentioned above. Terribly unfortunate how divided we have allowed ourselves to become. Hopefully we will find our way back to each other in time.

Where is Pete Seeger when you need him?

If ya wanna know what sex you are.. (hint)... look in yer pants...

How you feel about yerself..is another matter..

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building a recoil firing pin and feeder magazine from hardware store items is quite a task to make semi auto weapon....

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Don't have to go to a hardware store and jerry-rig.  Any gun part that isn't serialized anybody can buy.  BATF says only serialized parts are a "gun".
I can buy an entire AR except for the finished lower receiver online.   I can buy a barrel, stocks, upper receiver, bolt, follower, firing pin, and all the other internals.  I can also buy the T-6 hardened aluminum lower online for $79 without any background checks IF the trigger and mag well haven't been pre-milled by the manufacturer.  Only once it's been milled by the manufacturer, it's a "gun" so says BATF.
And BATF says I can't buy all the other parts at the same time I buy the 80% lower, else it's a "gun".  I have to order them at different times (ex: order the 80% lower on Monday and the rest of the parts on Friday after the shop has mailed the lower, he can't ship them together in the same box).  If I want to be a cheap ass I can buy the un-milled polymer lower receiver for $49.

To do the milling all anyone needs is a drill press with a cross-slide vise, although a more precise mill is preferable.   That's one of the reasons some manufacturers put the serial # on the frame, on the slide, and on the barrel.  So you can't legally buy the major parts to build a gun with going through an FFL.

Of course, that's federal law.  Individual states laws might be more restrictive.   Here in NC I can own a machine gun.  I just have to pay a ridiculously high tax to the BATF, have a more thorough background check, register it with the local PD,  and wait 6 months for a tax stamp to arrive.   NC just changed the law a few years ago so that now it's legal to hunt with a suppressor.  So for another few hundred, another tax payment, and another background check I can have a suppressor.   My buddy constantly brags about the four "silencers" he owns.  

Is it any wonder other countries raise an eyebrow at our guns laws?  It's a legal harmless piece of metal if it isn't milled; it's a "deadly assault rifle" if it's bought milled, but anyone who can change the oil in their truck can mill it at home.  

In fact, that's how David Koresh got on the BATF radar.  The UPS man snitched because he was delivering dozens and dozens of packages with return labels from gun shops and the UPS dude though it was odd.  While it was legal, it made BATF start digging deeper and getting other agencies involved. 

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nearly everything you mentioned you are getting online.  if you read my post i said HARDWARE STORE.  even if you found a hardware store that carried all those items you listed it wouldn't take long that you would be flagged.  

 you can order almost anything online,, true.... but in all reality most young folks with intent are not patient enough to go through all that.  its alot easier just to drive thru a crowd....  right ?

there is a book a guy did a study 100 percent of shootings involve anti depressents zanax zoloft all have a chemical in them that actually effect the brain and can cause really bad illness everybody i know takes some form of it doctors are drug dealers my wifes whole family takes some form of it weight loss drugs will be a plague

Apparently there is some disagreement w.r.t. ^^. 

 https://www.columbiapsychiatry.org/news/mass-shootings-and-mental-illness#:~:text=Girgis%20about%20the%20role%20of,violence%20use%20guns%2C%20and%20more.

And an AI generated overwiew: https://www.google.com/search?q=proportion+of+mass+shootings+where+anti-depressants+are+a+factor&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA1116CA1116&oq=proportion+of+mass+shootings+where+anti-depressants+are+a+factor&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDk5NDlqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Fwiw, if any people I know are taking anti-depressants, they sure haven't told me.