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Free YouTube lessons from some pretty good teachers on getting started with key of D on banjo in G tuning.
What I do depends on the song, what I hear or feel, and what other banjo players at the jam are doing. (In the keys of D and E, I want to do different if I can so there's variety) I don't have a capo spike at 12, so I'm not capoing at 7 to play in D as if in G.
Easiest for me is capoing at 2 and playing as if in C. This is especially the case on faster songs. Sometimes -- maybe only for Soldier's Joy -- I'll drop the 4th string a whole step so it's still D after I capo. This is Drop C tuning capoed 2.
More and more, I try to play in D with no capo, including leaving the fifth string at G. I combine rolling stuff with some melodic basics. I don't practice this anywhere near enough, so jams become my practice. I just go for it. If I miss, oh well.
A band I was in from 2010 to 2013 covered the Nashville Bluegrass Band's version of "Tear My Stillhouse Down" in D. Alan O'Bryant played it with no capo but with fifth string spiked at 7. That became obvious when I listened to the recording to learn it. Learning his intro and solo on this song is what gave me the confidence to try D without capo in more instances.
If you're comfortable with melodic style at all, seek out lessons or tabs for Whiskey Before Breakfast and St. Anne's Reel. Like Blackberry Blossom in G, these are some the earliest tunes people learn when beginning D melodic. These will give you a foundation for building phrases in other tunes.
Also get a copy of Tony Trischka's "Hot Licks for Bluegrass Banjo" book. Hotness is not really the point. It's a book on improvisational banjo vocabulary for various chords and situations. There's a good section on D..
Good luck.
I play capo’d at the 2nd fret , spike at 7,, out of C position. Some people play open because they salivate over hitting that low D note. (Insert wink and sarcasm emoji)
here's an example https://youtu.be/FZIuaGH2EdQ?si=eNUOyCDgiyHubDDu
Edited by - chuckv97 on 01/06/2026 11:09:22
I also capo up 2, spike the 5th string and then use the C, F and G chords. For me, that's the easiest way. There are some songs, mainly fiddle tunes; i.e., instrumentals, that are easier to play uncapoed with or without the 5th string capoed. Depends on the song.
For me, it's easier making the C and G chords and there's lots of licks and musical phrases that can use that G chord and licks associated with it. There are also many C licks and phrases that work well and are easy to plug in to any vocal tune.
Are there any specific banjo players you like? There's a number of ways to pull it off, but I found it best to find a tune that one of the greats does in D and copy them to get started
Bill Emerson does a killer job playing out of C position with a Capo on fret 2 (listen to "Carolina Star" & "I wonder where you are tonight" on the album Tony Rice Plays and Sings Bluegrass)
Also check out JD Crowe playing on "Way Downtown" on Tony Rice's self-titled album. Can't tell if he capo'd or not
I recently spent a lot of time learning tunes the way Noam Pikelny and Cory Walker play in D with no capo (standard G tuning, with 5th string at G or spiked to A, depending) - this is now my preference as you get to keep the open 1st D string to use as your drone, and the open 4th string to hit the occasional low D. You can learn a few positions/shapes for D chords within the first 7 frets and slide/hammer-on/double-stop-pinch your way in-between them
These are pretty advanced examples with Noam's otherworldly modern playing, but some inspiration for the sounds possible playing with no capo in standard tuning:
youtu.be/uZO5nJDlixk?si=lyevmb7L-5iJSEEE
youtu.be/qVN8gPixyLQ?si=6hSobp-9y0hVMene
Edited by - NickPug on 01/06/2026 12:44:11
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Originally posted by chuckv97I play capo’d at the 2nd fret , spike at 7,, out of C position. Some people play open because they salivate over hitting that low D note. (Insert wink and sarcasm emoji)
here's an example https://youtu.be/FZIuaGH2EdQ?si=eNUOyCDgiyHubDDu
You've got to admit that low D is pretty juicy. If I was in a jam and someone called a song in D (or on stage for that matter) I would want to be ready immediately, without fiddling with capos and retuning.
But beyond that, the more ways you can play in "exotic " keys the better. Why limit yourself?
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Originally posted by Laurence Diehlquote:
Originally posted by chuckv97I play capo’d at the 2nd fret , spike at 7,, out of C position. Some people play open because they salivate over hitting that low D note. (Insert wink and sarcasm emoji)
here's an example https://youtu.be/FZIuaGH2EdQ?si=eNUOyCDgiyHubDDu
You've got to admit that low D is pretty juicy. If I was in a jam and someone called a song in D (or on stage for that matter) I would want to be ready immediately, without fiddling with capos and retuning.
But beyond that, the more ways you can play in "exotic " keys the better. Why limit yourself?
Nice tune! I have learned Alan Munde's version of I'll See You in my Dreams in F ,, and I put together an original in D , sans capo, "Eddie's Shelton" , a partial mix of Turkey Knob and Shelton Special. But to improvise at a jam I'm sounding pretty lame in D, no capo. Never practiced it is my excuse/problem/issue. ;-) I'll be stuck in G and C prison for life, it looks like....
Edited by - chuckv97 on 01/06/2026 13:49:19
Sometimes I just capo at the 2nd, spike the G at the 7th and just play the C chords. But, and I'm not necessarily recommending this, I like to play the D, F, and A shapes or partial shapes up the neck. So, a lot of time I start with the open D, then go up to the F shape at the 5th for the G and slide it up to the 7th fret for the A. If I want the Bm, I bar a B and hope it sounds okay, or move the Am shape up a couple frets. Everything is nice and close right there and it works well for me. I've gotten pretty quick switching those two middle fingers. I know that all sounds complicated, but it isn't. Like I say, there are easier ways, I just find that those sound nice in a lot of songs. Just something to play with if you like.
A standard tuned fiddle is very comfortable in D key. So we play alot of D tunes.
I don't capo the banjo generally for D. Transitional licks, from one chord shape to the next are the same, from D to G, and back. If you have some transitional licks to and from the A/bar chord shape, your good to go.
The exception would be what I call a 'banjer tune.' Where it's typically in open G, and all the licks are expected or predicted. Then I capo on 7. But your hand is scrunched by closer frets. The voice is high and brite. I really don't prefer it.
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Originally posted by Mad HornetAdvice I was once given. Have a second banjo close by tuned to open D. You might need a long neck or cello and definitely different strings.
I have a second banjo tuned down to d with low d strings.
Rick
I like using tunes as lessons.
Work out a couple of D fiddle tunes written in melodics such as Soldier's Joy and Whiskey Before Breakfast both in D.
These can be launching grounds for learning to "navigate" in the key of D.
I like the choices of playing out of D by either leaving everything in open G,capoing 2 or retuning to D tuning.
The first song I ever learned was boil that cabbage in G. I have since proceeded to practice that song in every key just by using the 1, 4, 5 chords and this has helped me learn to play in different keys without a capo. You can vamp along during the jam and then try to work out the song during the week. Some songs in D need to be played in D tuning. Reubens train , John Henry to name a few.
I play old time not Bluegrass. If I am going to play in a jam, or a get together with players, or in my limited band, or solo performances, I usually take two banjos.
I have one banjo tuned in the G tuning, and another Banjo that is either tuned in the D equivalent of the CC or the D equivalent of the drop C tuning, that would be with the B string tuned to C#.
I have pretty much kept my Gold Tone WL-250 (the one in my hangout picture) tuned (not capoed) up to D tunings for about 13 years.
It depends on my mood or the mood of the banjo in question if I need to play in A whether I just tune up the 4th string on the D banjo to E and tune down the 2nd string from D to C#, or slap a capo on the G banjo and tune up the 5th string to A on the G banjo.
My experience is some banjos take capoes very well, some do not. With some banjos I own it depends on the weather or what I ate for breakfast! I did a lot of research about the pitching of banjos about 15-18 years ago that had to do with a theory I had that was wrong. However, I discovered that many of the original old time Southern banjoists, Black or white pitched their banjos higher or lower than the standard pitch. I am old enough to remember when electronic tuners were not available, and often both Bluegrass and Old Time pickers evolved their own pitches by agreement.
Old time jamming is more or less restricted to playing in G, D, and A. It is extremely rare to even play tunes in C or F. It is not like Bluegrass where you have to be ready to pitch your banjo or guitar to B flat or whatever pitch a singers wishes to explore.
Edited by - writerrad on 01/09/2026 18:03:08
Like Tony, I play old time these days, not much bluegrass, even though I still use picks, three fingers, and a resonator! used to be some of the old time folks would suggest I lose the picks and resonator, 'cuz they were not properly "old time,' but I never did. Eventually they gave up.
When I am playing in an old time jam, where everybody stays in one key for hours on end and mostly they play fiddle tunes, I use open D tuning, with the 5th string tuned to A (aDF#AD). I play about fiddle 175 tunes in that tuning, although it's getting harder to remember them all. Open D is a great tuning, but if you are playing with folks who don't play in one key for more than a few songs and tunes at a time, I wouldn't recommend it. Retuning from open D back to open G is a pain, even if you have Scruggs tuners. When you change the tension to that degree it throws the tension on the other strings off as well, so you are basically forced to retune all five strings every time you move. Take my word for it, they aren't going to wait for you. The rare exception is if somebody asks for Rueben or Ralph's Hard Times, which might happen once a year.
On the rare occasions when I am picking with musicians playing bluegrass or mainstream country, I will use both of the techniques others have mentioned above. For about fifteen years I played jammed with a bunch of guys every week who played country and western music. I had a contact pickup on one of my banjos, and so i could plug in with the rest of them. The two keys they used the most A and E, so I would put the capo on the 2nd fret and raise the 5th to A. I would play the A tunes using G position, and for the E tunes I would slip the 5th slip the 5th under the railroad spike, so that it would be tuned B, and use the closed D positions. (I should note that I quit fretting the 5th string years ago.) On the rare occasion when they would sing something in D, I would use C positions, and when they would go to G, which was very rare, I would use F positions, so I never had to move the capo.
When I play with bluegrass folks, I will play a song or tune in D by using the closed D chord positions in open G, when I'm playing without a capo on, but with the 5th under the spike. If I am called on to throw in a Scruggs break, I will just use the Scruggs style fingering that Earl used on his key of G up the neck breaks down in that lower position for D. I think someone above already suggested that. I would strongly suggest learning both approaches; that is, learning to play in D out of open G both with and without a capo on 2. When you put a capo on most banjos, there is some small bit of retuning required that slows everybody down, and being able to minimize that will reduce the snarky "the banjo picker is a dunce" comments.
- Don Borchelt
When you have to play out of what I call a "closed position" the technique changes somewhat from playing in an "open position".
Whether you are playing out of D, Eb. Bb or whatever, learn where the melody notes are, one string at a time.
Then build your rolls, rakes, vamps, pinches around the melody. It takes time to learn this but is an excellent technique and it will improve your overall picking many times over...good luck
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