I think that if it was going to hurt them everybody and their brother wouldn't be doing it. As far as resonator banjos with brass tonerings, even those we're talking eleven or twelve pounds. Compare that to the string tension trying to fold it up, that's nothing.

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I think that if it was going to hurt them everybody and their brother wouldn't be doing it. As far as resonator banjos with brass tonerings, even those we're talking eleven or twelve pounds. Compare that to the string tension trying to fold it up, that's nothing.

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Have you ever heard of Frank Neat or Geoff Stelling?

Ken

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I think that if it was going to hurt them everybody and their brother wouldn't be doing it. As far as resonator banjos with brass tonerings, even those we're talking eleven or twelve pounds. Compare that to the string tension trying to fold it up, that's nothing.

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Have you ever heard of Frank Neat or Geoff Stelling?

Ken

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No, I haven't.

I've "heard of" both of them ... quite regularly throughout my "banjo journey" (?) and as recently as near the bottom of page 1 in this thread.   

 But I don't know of them well enough to know whether or not they're infallible.   Did they offer compelling evidence to support their contention?   

Edit: Been cogitating re. ^^.   Here's a link to an interesting "long-term" experiment in New Zealand w.r.t. asphalt behaving as a liquid:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_drop_experiment   I seem to recall a high school science teacher telling us about molecules from two dissimilar metal bars stored in contact with each other can/will "migrate" (?) to the other bar IF they're left long enough.   [A cursory Google search hasn't helped me.]   

Could it be that some "results" are more theoretical than practical?

Neat and Stelling are banjo makers of the highest quality. Frank Neat has done work for sooo many of the pros including Sonny Osborne and JD Crowe. Geoff Stelling created a bit of a different design for the banjo and got a bit of a different sound than the classic Gibson Mastertone sound. But his banjo workmanship was of the highest quality. Both of these gentlemen of the highest quality. If I had the opportunity to ask Rory McIlroy or Scottie Scheffler a golf question and they were kind enough to give an answer, I would not be asking them for compelling evidence or wondering if they were infallible. I would be working like mad to see it from their perspective and would take their word because I know for sure that I am infallible and will never approach their knowledge and experience.
This statement did hit a nerve with me: "I think that if it was going to hurt them everybody and their brother wouldn't be doing it." First I checked the posters credentials and he is just starting out. 2nd, I have never seen a prewar or quality banjo hanging except in a store. I don't see owners doing that to their good banjos. I gave him 2 of the best in the history or making banjo's and that was his response.
But, all that being said, it is your banjo to do with what you wish.
Ken

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Neat and Stelling are banjo makers of the highest quality. Frank Neat has done work for sooo many of the pros including Sonny Osborne and JD Crowe. Geoff Stelling created a bit of a different design for the banjo and got a bit of a different sound than the classic Gibson Mastertone sound. But his banjo workmanship was of the highest quality. Both of these gentlemen of the highest quality. If I had the opportunity to ask Rory McIlroy or Scottie Scheffler a golf question and they were kind enough to give an answer, I would not be asking them for compelling evidence or wondering if they were infallible. I would be working like mad to see it from their perspective and would take their word because I know for sure that I am infallible and will never approach their knowledge and experience.
This statement did hit a nerve with me: "I think that if it was going to hurt them everybody and their brother wouldn't be doing it." First I checked the posters credentials and he is just starting out. 2nd, I have never seen a prewar or quality banjo hanging except in a store. I don't see owners doing that to their good banjos. I gave him 2 of the best in the history or making banjo's and that was his response.
But, all that being said, it is your banjo to do with what you wish.
Ken

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That's cool Ken. I didn't come here to get into an argument with you and my response wasn't meant to be a personal attack. I mean, we all have opinions, you have yours and I have mine. And you're right, I'm just starting out with banjos. But I've been hearing the same thing about hanging guitars for thirty years. So I have the same opinion on that. 

This topic pops up quite frequently, along with the related issue of floor stands.
Plainly, any banjo-owning individual has the right to do whatever he wants with his banjo, but I just don't understand this desire to use stands or wall-hangers. No matter how well made or designed, no stand or wall hook can offer the degree of protection given by a solid case with the latches firmly closed. I get that it's convenient to just reach out and pick up the banjo from a stand, but really how much hassle is it to release a few latches and lift it from its case?
I remember respected luthier John Boulding writing that he loved banjo stands as they provided him with a continued source of work from peg-head breakages. Don't remember his commenting on wall stands.
The banjo is yours. Do with it what you will, but if you value it and love it please, please keep it in a case when you're not playing it.

My rental house is crappy and my landlord has no interest in fixing the foundation, windows, etc. It's much more dusty than a proper house would be, and I have a dog who sheds hair and dander. Jennie Marie lives in her case except for playing, and gets wiped down with a cloth before returning home.

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Originally posted by From Greylock to Bean Blossom

Neat and Stelling are banjo makers of the highest quality. Frank Neat has done work for sooo many of the pros including Sonny Osborne and JD Crowe. Geoff Stelling created a bit of a different design for the banjo and got a bit of a different sound than the classic Gibson Mastertone sound. But his banjo workmanship was of the highest quality. Both of these gentlemen of the highest quality. If I had the opportunity to ask Rory McIlroy or Scottie Scheffler a golf question and they were kind enough to give an answer, I would not be asking them for compelling evidence or wondering if they were infallible. I would be working like mad to see it from their perspective and would take their word because I know for sure that I am infallible and will never approach their knowledge and experience.
This statement did hit a nerve with me: "I think that if it was going to hurt them everybody and their brother wouldn't be doing it." First I checked the posters credentials and he is just starting out. 2nd, I have never seen a prewar or quality banjo hanging except in a store. I don't see owners doing that to their good banjos. I gave him 2 of the best in the history or making banjo's and that was his response.
But, all that being said, it is your banjo to do with what you wish.
Ken

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That's cool Ken. I didn't come here to get into an argument with you and my response wasn't meant to be a personal attack. I mean, we all have opinions, you have yours and I have mine. And you're right, I'm just starting out with banjos. But I've been hearing the same thing about hanging guitars for thirty years. So I have the same opinion on that. 

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I re read my post this morning and it came off sounding snarky. my apologies to you and Owen.

Ken

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I've "heard of" both of them ... quite regularly throughout my "banjo journey" (?) and as recently as near the bottom of page 1 in this thread.   

 But I don't know of them well enough to know whether or not they're infallible.   Did they offer compelling evidence to support their contention?   

Edit: Been cogitating re. ^^.   Here's a link to an interesting "long-term" experiment in New Zealand w.r.t. asphalt behaving as a liquid:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_drop_experiment   I seem to recall a high school science teacher telling us about molecules from two dissimilar metal bars stored in contact with each other can/will "migrate" (?) to the other bar IF they're left long enough.   [A cursory Google search hasn't helped me.]   

Could it be that some "results" are more theoretical than practical?

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Owen,
sorry for my reply to you. had a sit on roller get away from me and  flip and was not in a good mood.  I had not read the experiment you posted. Wow,  you are keeping up with that level of thought and aptly relating it to banjo......well, my hat is off to you. I misinterpreted your response. Again sorry for being a horses (I).

Ken

There is one real hidden danger I’ve recently discovered with hanging instruments on the wall. And I’ve been doing it trouble free for over 40 years:

String swings are great, well made, strong steel, and a very substantial weld between the fork and threaded post. However, lately the market has been flooded with cheap knock offs, especially on Amazon. I’ve seen them in two, three and even 6 packs, offering multiple hangers for less than the cost of one real String Swing. I was suckered into trying a two pack of these, for around $10. DON’T DO IT! They are junk, the fork is some kind of pot metal I could bend by hand, and just a small spot weld holding it to the post. They might be ok for a ukulele… but there’s no way I would ever trust a 12- 14 pound banjo on one of them. You have been warned…

Everything's copacetic, Ken.   

On reflection I could have [should have?] phrased my query a bit differently:   What's the scientific [physics?] rationale behind "don't store 'em on hangers."?

In my experience there's no shortage of experts that get [some] things wrong.   Expanding (?) on your examples from the golf world, I watch more baseball than golf ... I've noticed that it's not uncommon that analysts [i.e. former MLB players] resort to babbling when they try to "explain" things. 

Edit: Just being nosey .... "sit-on roller" had me wondering.  MY first wonder was "mechanics creeper." Then I asked the all-knowing Google and came up with 

In any event I hope it's not too too serious and that things have returned to normal.

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Neat and Stelling are banjo makers of the highest quality. Frank Neat has done work for sooo many of the pros including Sonny Osborne and JD Crowe. Geoff Stelling created a bit of a different design for the banjo and got a bit of a different sound than the classic Gibson Mastertone sound. But his banjo workmanship was of the highest quality. Both of these gentlemen of the highest quality. If I had the opportunity to ask Rory McIlroy or Scottie Scheffler a golf question and they were kind enough to give an answer, I would not be asking them for compelling evidence or wondering if they were infallible. I would be working like mad to see it from their perspective and would take their word because I know for sure that I am infallible and will never approach their knowledge and experience.
This statement did hit a nerve with me: "I think that if it was going to hurt them everybody and their brother wouldn't be doing it." First I checked the posters credentials and he is just starting out. 2nd, I have never seen a prewar or quality banjo hanging except in a store. I don't see owners doing that to their good banjos. I gave him 2 of the best in the history or making banjo's and that was his response.
But, all that being said, it is your banjo to do with what you wish.
Ken

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That's cool Ken. I didn't come here to get into an argument with you and my response wasn't meant to be a personal attack. I mean, we all have opinions, you have yours and I have mine. And you're right, I'm just starting out with banjos. But I've been hearing the same thing about hanging guitars for thirty years. So I have the same opinion on that. 

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I re read my post this morning and it came off sounding snarky. my apologies to you and Owen.

Ken

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No big deal Ken. A rousing discussion on some thread about how we store our banjos isn't a bad thing. Anyway, now I've heard of Frank Neat and Geoff Stelling, so there's that. Peace be with you.

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Everything's copacetic, Ken.   

On reflection I could have [should have?] phrased my query a bit differently:   What's the scientific [physics?] rationale behind "don't store 'em on hangers."?

In my experience there's no shortage of experts that get [some] things wrong.   Expanding (?) on your examples from the golf world, I watch more baseball than golf ... I've noticed that it's not uncommon that analysts [i.e. former MLB players] resort to babbling when they try to "explain" things. 

Edit: Just being nosey .... "sit-on roller" had me wondering.  MY first wonder was "mechanics creeper." Then I asked the all-knowing Google and came up with 

 

In any event I hope it's not too too serious and that things have returned to normal.

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Owen, Nothing as grandeos as that. It is called a Brutus Roller and is used on clay courts and asphalt jobs. Its weight with rolling drums empty is about 1000 lbs. After it rolled, I cleaned it up and tried to start it and the pull chord broke on the first pull. will repair that and try again to see if it is damaged. And I am a crap mechanic. So if you hear some cussing and wrenches being thrown from the south, you will know where it is coming from.

thanks for your understanding.

ken

It's an oldie, but .....

A preacher was making his rounds to his parishioners on a bicycle when he came upon little Johnny trying to sell a lawn mower.

"How much do you want for the mower?" asked the preacher.

"I just want enough money to go out and buy me a bicycle," said little Johnny.

After a moment of consideration, the preacher asked, "Will you take my bike in trade for it?"

Little Johnny said, "Mister, you've got yourself a deal."

The preacher took the mower and tried to start it. He pulled and pulled on the rope until he was dripping with sweat but the mower refuses to start.

The preacher called little Johnny over and said, "I can't get this mower to start."

Little Johnny said, "That's because you have to cuss at it to get it started."

The preacher said, "I'm a man of the church and I can't cuss. It's been so long since I've been saved that I don't even remember how to cuss."

Little Johnny looked at him happily and said, "Just keep pulling on that rope. It'll come back to ya."

I want to drive a Brutus roller almost as much as I want to drive a zamboni