I'm too lazy to look into it [right now] but I seem to recall hearing that the present generation [whatever that means] is, or will be, the first one to earn less than the previous one.   Less doh-rey-me and a longer life .... isn't that what's called a win-win??  

I think he's referring to the news coming out that we have over 8 million people over the age of 120 receiving social security benefits with quite a number over 140 and 150 years old. Oh and 60 million people being paid ss benefits who don't have valid social security numbers. It's kinda looking like 90 percent plus of our tax dollars have been going to fraud waste and abuse for decades when you look at the whole picture. And yes I am extrapolating as not every agency has been looked at yet. I just hope we still have gold in Fort Knox!

Thanks Anthony .... ^^  news hasn't made it to Cdn. main-stream-media so far as I know. However, a scenario like that did [briefly] cross my mind.

Lately there have been a couple of cases up here where an individual has received mail from the government telling the person that he/she is no longer alive, and it's been quite the rigamarole to have the government accept  it and 'reinstate" the person and the records. Apparently having it appear as a story on MSM works wonders.  

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Thanks Anthony .... ^^  news hasn't made it to Cdn. main-stream-media so far as I know. However, a scenario like that did [briefly] cross my mind.

Lately there have been a couple of cases up here where an individual has received mail from the government telling the person that he/she is no longer alive, and it's been quite the rigamarole to have the government accept  it and 'reinstate" the person and the records. Apparently having it appear as a story on MSM works wonders.  

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It may never make it to mainstream media Owen.  Turns out one of the agencies fraught with fraud that got shut down was found to be funding numerous news outlets who were paid to cover up the fraud!  If you want to really know what's going on, seek alternative media.  Rumble for one is awesome.  I'm hearing X is good too but I don't know firsthand since they booted me back in 2021.

The rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated

(btw, if those numbers are coming from the S. African former Queen's University student, I wouldn't know whether to believe them or snot)

I was reciting numbers off the top of my head. I just looked again it's actually a lot worse than what I said previously. And although this isn't a huge number it is rather astounding that the SSA has been paying over 800 people over the age of 200 a monthly social security benefit! Moses didn't even make it that long!

So… the answer is …. scrap the whole thing, throw the baby out with the dirty bath water

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I don't think so.  Get rid of the fraud, waste, and abuse to the fullest extent possible.  My wife and I paid into social security for going on 40 years we expect to get the benefits.  But if all that fraud was eliminated maybe all us taxpayers wouldn't have to pay so much???   And the icing on the cake is we have been threatened for years that by the time we got to retirement age that SS would be all dried up because we had too many seniors and not enough working people paying into the system.  What a crock!!!  More like too many dead people getting paid!

I think the problem is the messenger not the 100 thousand 120 year old recipients.

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I think the problem is the messenger not the 100 thousand 120 year old recipients.

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Make some popcorn and keep watching the movie.  Do you know what the number one Google searched item in Washington is right now?

Criminal Defense Attorney. 

Followed closely by "Offshore Bank Account" and "Bleach Bit". 

And real estate in the area is plumetting.  Rats are scurrying to jump ship.

We should hope that a the most common search is not... 'How to make a Molotov cocktail'

Rats scurrying to jump ship reminds me of when we were working on a remote reserve.   The heavy duty mechanic the band hired would typically  fly in on as "as needed" basis [at least until the money ran out].   He was an almost-regular for tea/coffee. He came over one evening ...  mentioned how the first thing he noticed when he arrived that morning was that the airport building was abnormally busy/crowded.  However he toot-de-sweet learned that there had been a murder the night before.  Ah-haw.... now it all makes sense .... party attendees leaving town before the RCMP got there [though he did also use the rats/ship analogy].

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Rats scurrying to jump ship reminds me of when we were working on a remote reserve.   The heavy duty mechanic the band hired would typically  fly in on as "as needed" basis [at least until the money ran out].   He was an almost-regular for tea/coffee. He came over one evening ...  mentioned how the first thing he noticed when he arrived that morning was that the airport building was abnormally busy/crowded.  However he toot-de-sweet learned that there had been a murder the night before.  Ah-haw.... now it all makes sense .... party attendees leaving town before the RCMP got there [though he did also use the rats/ship analogy].

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"toot-de-sweet"??? 

... frenchy (??) for "right away."

Edit: Re. alternative news feeds, here's a sample of what I get: "Call me crazy, but maybe two men who between them have fathered 17 children with 6 different women shouldn't be lecturing us about family values."    I think I'm gonna get confused.

So far then someone has made up something and as usual some people have chosen to believe it because it's on their agenda.

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Looks like people are livin wwway..longer...
Now'ah days...
Accordin to Social Security pay outs..... ;0)

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That wasn't pay outs - it was spreadsheet numbers from an outdated computer system.  I looked it up the other day, and I'm too lazy to look it up again, but actual payouts for people over 100 was something like 44,000.  Payouts for people over 112 was only 13.

If you've had an older relative die lately, you know how fast social security finds that out and quits cutting checks.  In the case of my mother, I received a letter from them dated the day after she passed.

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Looks like people are livin wwway..longer...
Now'ah days...
Accordin to Social Security pay outs..... ;0)

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That wasn't pay outs - it was spreadsheet numbers from an outdated computer system.  I looked it up the other day, and I'm too lazy to look it up again, but actual payouts for people over 100 was something like 44,000.  Payouts for people over 112 was only 13.

If you've had an older relative die lately, you know how fast social security finds that out and quits cutting checks.  In the case of my mother, I received a letter from them dated the day after she passed.

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That's because she wasn't a criminal who was in on the scam.

You know how you know it's true?  None of the people in charge have come out to deny it.  The director resigned without explanation.

Trusted news sources are so rare these days. Heavy emphasis on the trusted. As I explained to my kids many years ago, news has become a commodity, like toothpaste or orange juice. The news source has to get as many eyeballs as possible and the more flamboyant or sensational the headline , the more eyeballs. Take weather reporting. What gets more viewers - the source that says it might snow 1-2" or the one that blazons MEGA storm for the Northeast! Problem is most people don't have the smarts to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Mad Hornet: Apparently there was an explanation provided by SSA in 2020, where they explained that their programming was originally written in Cobol, and there is no numeric code, so they have to reference ages to calendar dates. Elon, of all people, should know this. In any case, there is a separate listing of checks issued (like anybody knows who does accounting), and they don't square with the numbers Elon is reporting. To get to the truth anymore, you have to do research on your own to see what squares with the facts i.e. what facts have been included and which facts ignored to see what direction the reporter is trying to sway your opinion. I find it all tiresome and time consuming. I should be playing banjo.

Before the shackles are placed, I just had a recall of an early BHO member that lived the Netherlands, he wore a bowler hat and used to be very active on this forum, especially when it came to gov and climate. What was his name? Is he still a member?
Brad

^^^ I remember the dyke-hopper with the bowler hat , he had a name that didn’t square with the Dutch language, if I remember right. I believe he might be a gub’m’nt agent …..

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I was reciting numbers off the top of my head. I just looked again it's actually a lot worse than what I said previously. And although this isn't a huge number it is rather astounding that the SSA has been paying over 800 people over the age of 200 a monthly social security benefit! Moses didn't even make it that long!

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Well, I know how they are getting it back!  Both my wife and I have had our Part B (I think) of our SS raised by $200 each starting in January.  Eben with our cost of living raises the past couple of years, I am getting less this year than two years ago.

Geez, Anthony, I dunno.   " ... in on the scam"  +  in excess of 90% of taxes going to fraud/waste  +  knowing things are mucho intertwined [i.e. tough existing in a vacuum] has me wondering if the logical conclusion might well be, ''.... me and thee ... and I'm not too sure about thee."  

Is the scenario you present a selling point on why "we" would want statehood?   

I'm not sure what all is antiquated at the SSA, but about a month ago I tried to log into my account on my desktop computer and must have typed in one wrong number on my address or SS# and it obviously would not let me on the site. So when I immediately tried again, it would not let me log on and told me that they would be sending me, but USPS mail a code in the next 15-20 days, so I could log on again. A couple of weeks later, long after I needed the information, I get a letter with the new code. Ridiculous. I would have called (which was not an option), but I didn't have half a day to listen to elevator music while I waited to talk to someone working from home.

This is a little concerning to me ,but I'm waiting to see if our economy is backed up by a vault full of dust bunnies when they open the lid on Fort Knox.