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Dec 1, 2024 - 7:53:09 AM
1 posts since 2/16/2024

I'm having a custom clawhammer banjo built. I have access to local yellow cedar and it would be awesome to have it be part of my banjo. Has anyone had any experience with using yellow cedar as a wood for banjos building or is a waste of time. Thanks

Dec 1, 2024 - 8:26:41 AM

225 posts since 9/1/2020

Peghead overlay or/and rim-cap can be a pretty safe way to use woods that you might be uncertain about for a full build.

Dec 1, 2024 - 9:23:46 AM

heavy5

USA

3308 posts since 11/3/2016

There are quite a few articles on line comparing yellow cedar to mahogany , the latter being a common neck wood w/ each having their own properties & use .

Dec 1, 2024 - 9:36:44 AM

1795 posts since 1/9/2012

Play it safe or be adventurous and possibly unique?

No, I've never used cedar for a structural part (besides bridges).  But I looked up the numbers below and think that the whole banjo could be yellow cedar.

 

online quotes of physical properties:

property - Alaskan yellow cedar - Honduran mahogany
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weight      -     31 lbs/ft^3            -  37 lbs/ft^3

elastic modulus - 9.8 GPa         -   10.0 GPa

Janka hardness - 580 lbf           -   900 lbf


Made into a neck or a rim, the cedar would wiggle (i.e., sound) rather like mahogany because of the similar weight and stiffness and be similarly strong.  (It would be easier to dent and would need a hard fret board.)

Yellow cedar is said to be dimensionally stable and easy to work.  The yellow eventually turns to grey.  As a "soft wood," it won't bend like hardwoods.  So, a block rim sounds plausible.  On the other hand, this guy does dramatic bends with steam and claims to do cedar, too:  https://www.tomraffield.com/en-us/blogs/blog/steam-bending-q-a-with-our-workshop-team  .  (I guess you'd just need extra -- to make up for the ones that split in the process.)

A neck can have a truss rod and/or be pieced out of flipped-grain boards.  Rims are a bit mysterious (https://www.its.caltech.edu/~politzer/rims/rims.pdf), e.g., how thin light ones turn out to sound not that different from heavy, stiff ones.

Dec 1, 2024 - 12:43:02 PM
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Dlye

Canada

61 posts since 3/5/2018

I made a steam bent 3 ply yellow cedar pot a couple of years ago and it bent beautifully and has a really nice ring, I’m going to make a western yew neck for it.

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