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Oct 13, 2024 - 7:36:31 AM
42178 posts since 3/5/2008

I have listened to a dozen of them...
What a crock n scam..

Not saying solar power dose not work..it can..

But the deals that these companys are trying to sell us..
Is..a total crock....

It is a one way deal for thier bennifet..
N.. they are handing folks..crums..

All the while they are saying that it is only for our bennifit..

Bull Dukey..

Oct 13, 2024 - 7:52:59 AM

Owen

Canada

15898 posts since 6/5/2011

You mean like these Canadian companies?

Canada Solar Energy Company List:

                      Greengate Power Corporation 

  •             DP Energy Canada Ltd
  •  
    • BluEarth Renewables Inc 

    • Great Canadian Solar Ltd

    • Quadra Power Inc.

    • miEnergy Inc.

    • Gorkon Industries

    • Azgard Solar Inc.

    • AMP Solar Group Inc.

    • Canadian Solar Inc.


[Source: https://www.mordorintelligence.com/industry-reports/canada-solar-energy-market/companies ]

For the most part I'm in the dark.*  

Are the companies persuing individual customers, or are you doing the "looking"?   

* - maybe they have the solution to my "problem" ?????  wink

Edited by - Owen on 10/13/2024 08:01:36

Oct 13, 2024 - 8:20:05 AM

42178 posts since 3/5/2008

If you look you will get..
Bombbarded with them..

ALL CLAIMING..to be the latest n greatest..

Oct 13, 2024 - 9:46:43 AM
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banjoy

USA

11621 posts since 7/1/2006

No way in hell I would ever put that stuff on my roof. Around here, financing those things is basically like a 2nd mortgage on your house, and ensnares people when they sell. I agree, a crock.

Oct 13, 2024 - 10:27 AM

Owen

Canada

15898 posts since 6/5/2011

I don't know the present state of things, but some years back, MB Hydro was subsidizing installations... I inquired for the shop, but  was told it wasn't suitable, and my solar journey was over before it started.

This site https://www.bluettipower.ca/blogs/solar-power/how-much-does-it-cost-to-install-solar-panels-in-canada?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4NDTzOyLiQMVDEn_AR2bqhwNEAAYASAAEgLUFPD_BwE give some info for Canada, and I don't see a date. 

I haven't tried to verify anything but it says: "The average installation cost of solar power in Canada is $3.34/watt, or $25,050 for a 7.5kW solar PV system. However, in the changing landscape of solar solutions, many factors come into action."

Fwiw, it also says "... the payback time will arrive soon." but I have the same faith in that as I do guys telling me that, with practice, "before long" I'll master some particular banjo skill or other.  wink

Edited by - Owen on 10/13/2024 10:27:29

Oct 13, 2024 - 11:08:07 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

30823 posts since 8/3/2003

I've heard a lot of bad things about purchasing solar panels to go on your roof. Dave wanted to do it, but after we checked what it would cost and how long it would take to pay for itself, we decided it wasn't worth it. That was more than 10 years ago and it's probably a lot more expensive now than it was then.

Also, we do get a lot of bad hail storms and I think that would take care of any solar panels that were exposed.

Oct 13, 2024 - 12:10:57 PM

Bart Veerman

Canada

5823 posts since 1/5/2005

Some home/house insurance companies don't want to insure solar-paneled houses...

Oct 13, 2024 - 12:28:33 PM
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1825 posts since 11/10/2022

A bunch of em r being removed here cuz a couple solar companies targeted seniors with 25 bucks per month lies.

If you got 15 years left in ya, u might break even but since cells degrade to 40% in 20 years, probably never break even.

Oct 13, 2024 - 12:42 PM
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1131 posts since 10/31/2007

I was in the business for years. We made solar and wood heating equipment. In 1985 when the first round of solar tax credits went away, half the industry disappeared. They were selling tax credits.

Solar electric costs are really compelling. The people contacting us, however, are not offering any kind of a good deal. A good friend who is in the recycling business recently explained something interesting.

All these commercial/industrial sites can depreciate the investment in panels over 10 years. After that, they buy new panels which they can depreciate all over again. Monied owners/investors can use the depreciation.
Of course, they generate a lot of power which is offered for a 15% discount. Not a great deal.

The good news is that if you want to install a system, there is a rapidly growing market of used collectors.
The depreciated ones sell for cents on the dollar. They do not deteriorate much (0.3% a year) and they can be a DIY project. You do need an electrician. You can google the numbers.

Oct 13, 2024 - 12:50:54 PM
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1131 posts since 10/31/2007

Just to stew this a bit more:
A kilowatt of panels (2-4) will generate about 1100 kilowatt hours of energy a year here in Maine. Maine is not exactly solar central. If you are grid tied, you can store energy with the utility and tap into the solar excess from summer in the winter.
You have the option of new panels or used ones. New ones cost 35-75 cents a watt of capacity while used can be 10-35 cents a watt. The electronics and wiring are about 50 cents a watt or less.
They are not for everyone, but consider the fact that most of the new system cost is likely the labor for mounting the panels. Even I can do that. I built a carport to mount them on. I am old enough now that sliding off my metal roof is no longer desirable.

Not for everyone and the whole topic get politicized and muddied by the scams.

Oct 13, 2024 - 1:32:50 PM
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chuckv97

Canada

72881 posts since 10/5/2013
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Quote: “ the payback time will arrive soon." but I have the same faith in that as I do guys telling me that, with practice, "before long" I'll master some particular banjo skill or other.”
Sheesh, Owen,, do ya have to lump us banjo advisers in with a buncha scammers?

Oct 13, 2024 - 1:34:19 PM
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149 posts since 6/22/2016

quote:
Originally posted by lazlototh

Just to stew this a bit more:
A kilowatt of panels (2-4) will generate about 1100 kilowatt hours of energy a year here in Maine. Maine is not exactly solar central. If you are grid tied, you can store energy with the utility and tap into the solar excess from summer in the winter.
You have the option of new panels or used ones. New ones cost 35-75 cents a watt of capacity while used can be 10-35 cents a watt. The electronics and wiring are about 50 cents a watt or less.
They are not for everyone, but consider the fact that most of the new system cost is likely the labor for mounting the panels. Even I can do that. I built a carport to mount them on. I am old enough now that sliding off my metal roof is no longer desirable.

Not for everyone and the whole topic get politicized and muddied by the scams.


As with everything that seems like a good idea, the entire solar installation industry has morphed from the intrepid do-it-yourselfer scheme to an absolute scam.  US solar installation contractors have sweetheart deals with state and local governments that actually prevent homeowners from installing their own systems.  Installation prices are fixed and tied to grant funding that is dependent upon involvement of a licensed installer.  Of course a certain amount of that grant funding is funneled off to the contractor.  It stinks.

So, lazlototh, was there ever a time when sliding off your metal roof was actually desirable?

Oct 13, 2024 - 1:44:06 PM
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1131 posts since 10/31/2007

Sliding off the roof has never been desirable but I think my body used to be more flexible. And nimble. I do go on the roof but the thrill is gone thinking about the slide off.

Oct 13, 2024 - 3:25:15 PM

Owen

Canada

15898 posts since 6/5/2011

Nah Chuck, I didn't have to but aside from the motivation, what's the diff?  wink

Oct 14, 2024 - 6:02:31 AM

Buddur

USA

4071 posts since 10/23/2004

Solar farms are going in everywhere in the area where I live. Most folks are up in arms, but hard to deny big money to those with cash to get what they want.

I'm working on a project with the USDA and my contact who reviews land assessments said she is swamped with the quantity of solar power farm land assessments they are receiving.

If I invested in solar for only my home it would be many years if not decades until I break even with the debt vs monthly electric bills.

Oct 14, 2024 - 8:18:38 AM

149 posts since 6/22/2016

quote:
Originally posted by lazlototh

Sliding off the roof has never been desirable but I think my body used to be more flexible. And nimble. I do go on the roof but the thrill is gone thinking about the slide off.


When I was a kid I used to jump off the roof of our garage just for kicks.  Maybe that's why my back is now held together with metal rods and screws.

Good Hungarian name, by the way.

Oct 14, 2024 - 8:54:18 AM

1131 posts since 10/31/2007

That's me, Lalzo Toth, the Flying Sliding Hungarian!

Oct 14, 2024 - 9:45 AM

149 posts since 6/22/2016

quote:
Originally posted by lazlototh

That's me, Lalzo Toth, the Flying Sliding Hungarian!


My father was born in Transylvania—on the correct side.

Oct 14, 2024 - 9:48:26 AM
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rinemb

USA

16559 posts since 5/24/2005

Locally, the solar folks hit our city pretty hard. Proudly, buyers would post about it on the Nextdoor App for our area. Or they would post how strongly they are considering it. Many of us post with facts and figures, and the scams. The payments on those systems along with the inflation of recent yours is now bankrupting many of them.
And, based on their posts, I think, they think, that they "sticking it to the man" by not buying power from the grid. Therefore, worth the money. :-( brad

Oct 14, 2024 - 10:27:59 AM

banjo bill-e

Tuvalu

13992 posts since 2/22/2007

The only solar I am interested in is emergency backup when the grid goes down. I would not try to power the entire house, just enough for some lights, keep phones and laptops charged, and power a fan or two for ventilation. I've got propane for anything else. I believe that can be done with portable panels that I only deploy when needed, but I'm also considering building a "solar shed" in the back yard that could serve multiple functions.

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