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Jun 17, 2024 - 6:13:07 AM
3115 posts since 8/30/2012

Gold Tone is selling their no-hole tone ring as a standalone part now. The same ring out of the OB-3 twanger. This is great because there's not a lot of options out there for a no-hole ring, especially at this price point.

Does anyone know the dimensions of this ring? I'm curious if it'd fit on a Huber rim (currently fitted with the Vintage ring) or possibly an RK-35 rim.

Jun 17, 2024 - 12:11:30 PM

RB3

USA

2054 posts since 4/12/2004

Out of curiosity, I went to the Gold Tone web site and took a look at the information provided for this tone ring. The descriptive information on the web site specifies that the tone ring is made with brass. This is the tone ring used in the "Twanger" that's supposed to be inspired by the J.D. Crowe pre-war Gibson "banger". The tone rings in pre-war Gibson banjos were made with bronze.  Does anyone know why they made this tone ring with brass instead of bronze?  Below is a link to the Gold Tone web page.

"No-hole" Gold Tone Tone Ring  


 

Jun 17, 2024 - 1:24:53 PM
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15440 posts since 6/2/2008

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Originally posted by RB3

Does anyone know why they made this tone ring with brass instead of bronze?  Below is a link to the Gold Tone web page.


I have long suspected that the marketers of Asian banjos with tone rings use the terms brass and bronze interchangeably, so that we don't know what their rings are actually made of.

I have also suspected -- with no basis other than distrust, mind you -- that since brass is mostly copper and zinc, the Asian tone rings referred to as "brass" may have high amounts of zinc.

I would never state any of this as fact, of course.

Jun 18, 2024 - 5:42 AM

KCJones

USA

3115 posts since 8/30/2012

I reached out to Gold Tone directly about dimensions. Unfortunately I did not receive any response. This is surprising as they've always been very responsive and provided good answers to technical/spec questions I've asked. I hope it's not a sign of things changing as they continue to grow.

I know there's some GT reps here on BHO, maybe they can chime in.

Jun 18, 2024 - 6:18:45 AM
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RB3

USA

2054 posts since 4/12/2004

I suspect that Gold Tone would consider things like the tone ring dimensions and material composition to be proprietary information that should be protected.

Jun 18, 2024 - 9:28:38 PM

KCJones

USA

3115 posts since 8/30/2012

It seems like some basic dimensions (skirt length, etc) would be a fairly reasonable thing to provide for something like a replacement tone ring, proprietary or not. I've never heard of other makers hiding the info, and some even have cross sections right on the product page.

In any case if anyone has one of these things and can take measurements, let me know. 

Edited by - KCJones on 06/18/2024 21:29:22

Jun 19, 2024 - 2:04:25 PM
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banjoez

USA

2807 posts since 7/18/2007

quote:
Originally posted by KCJones

Gold Tone is selling their no-hole tone ring as a standalone part now. The same ring out of the OB-3 twanger. This is great because there's not a lot of options out there for a no-hole ring, especially at this price point.

Does anyone know the dimensions of this ring? I'm curious if it'd fit on a Huber rim (currently fitted with the Vintage ring) or possibly an RK-35 rim.


I have an orphaned OB3 Twanger ring and it does not fit an RK35 or an RK Elite rim, at least the ones I tried anyways. These appear to be longer skirt like a PW so they won't sit down all the way without removing some wood from the outside lip. I will try to get dimensions and post.   

Edited by - banjoez on 06/19/2024 14:12:11

Jun 20, 2024 - 4:58:12 AM

KCJones

USA

3115 posts since 8/30/2012

Thank you Joe. I've had tone rings with a short skirt on rims cut for longer, and it sounded great although it looked bad. But the other way around doesn't seem to work at all tone wise, so that's good to know.

Mostly looking for skirt length and inner skirt diameter. I figure the OD is 11", of course. I could always have a rim turned but for it'd be nice to know if it'd reasonably fit a spare rim without modification.

Jun 21, 2024 - 4:03:03 AM

banjoez

USA

2807 posts since 7/18/2007

Here's my Twanger Ring Measurements (by my not so great eyes).

ID Skirt - 10 27/32"

Inside lip to Bottom of Skirt - 13/32"

Total Height of ring - 1 3/16"

Jun 21, 2024 - 6:39:33 AM
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Helix

USA

17588 posts since 8/30/2006

I hope it's not a sign of things changing as they continue to grow.  Me thinks thou dost protest too much. There's a lot of that going around, why don't you try communicating again with them.  

The "tastes just like chicken" approach from the importers allows high void, high slag aluminum of varying grades, or chipboard rims with thinly plated/high zinc content

The same is true of the brass/bronze debate:  I want to know the recipe of the cupcake instead of just having to eat one to find out.

(Aside:  There is one NAZI banjo, I've seen it, it sounded like a NAZI:  Lucite rim and integrated lucite flange, cast brass mastertone style tone ring which looked and sounded greasy like too much lead was used, twisted unassisted neck with inlays falling out.  In others words, all the elements of self-destruction just like any rigid approach:  the muse won't tolerate it, it offends her.  Sweet music brings the innocent and the curious.  Note the honeybees and the wild fox, little children dance with the banjo.

This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around.

I hope you find the answer to your quest. 

Edited by - Helix on 06/21/2024 06:42:32

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