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Jun 15, 2024 - 9:37:11 AM
9 posts since 11/8/2019

Is there anyone out there that might be able to help me figure out Earls banjo part with the Byrds from Banjo Newsletter?
I have the tabs but can’t make it sound even close…,
Thanks
Frank

Jun 15, 2024 - 10:51:56 AM

1406 posts since 11/15/2010

Can you post the tab, Frank?

Jun 15, 2024 - 11:27:09 AM

139 posts since 8/14/2018

I love that song. Will definitely listen later and see if I can make any sense of it! (For what little that’s worth)

edit -- is it the live version from that documentary?

Edited by - TimFoster on 06/15/2024 11:37:15

Jun 15, 2024 - 1:23:22 PM
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the song and tab are syncopated. ||: long short long short :|| etc.

Jun 16, 2024 - 3:50:45 PM
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seanray

USA

1688 posts since 9/11/2004

Frank,
Post or send me the tab and I'll take a look at it.

Thanks,
Sean

Jun 20, 2024 - 7:17:01 PM

9 posts since 11/8/2019

quote:
Originally posted by Joe Connor

Can you post the tab, Frank?


Jun 20, 2024 - 7:20:07 PM

9 posts since 11/8/2019

quote:
Originally posted by TimFoster

I love that song. Will definitely listen later and see if I can make any sense of it! (For what little that’s worth)

edit -- is it the live version from that documentary?


Jun 20, 2024 - 7:20:47 PM

9 posts since 11/8/2019

Yes that’s it…, trying to figure out how to send the tab

Jun 20, 2024 - 7:44:01 PM

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Jun 21, 2024 - 6:21:43 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by seanray

Frank,
Post or send me the tab and I'll take a look at it.

Thanks,
Sean


Jun 21, 2024 - 7:49:14 AM
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15437 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Frank McGeehan

I have the tabs but can’t make it sound even close…,


Two thoughts:

1 - Know what the tab is supposed to sound like. Earl's version, whether the documentary (linked elsewhere in this discussion) or this studio recording (which I believe is the reference/source for the tab) is not a literal rendering of the melody. Typical for his style, Earl drops melody notes, shifts notes to other counts, or substitutes different notes in place of melody). It's still a recognizable song. But it's not note-for-note the same as the vocal.

So the first thing you need to do before attacking the tab is listen to the recording to hear, learn, and internalize what Earl played so you can work on the tab knowing what it's supposed to sound like. If you listen on YouTube, the slow-down function (in the gear icon at the bottom of the player window) is a helpful learning aid. I believe it can slow down the playback speed without changing the notes.

2 - Be absolutely sure you know how to read the tab. That should go without saying, of course. But modern tab that looks a lot like music can be complex for some people. Pay careful attention to stems and beams to be sure you're giving each note the right amount of time.

One thing I do when working through tab is to count through it before and without playing anything.  Either out loud or in my my head, I sound out "dah-dah-dah-- dah-dah . . ."  or tap out "1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & . . ." as I run my finger along the tab.

Something else I sometimes do is play the picking hand part without fretting any notes. Just play all the strings open on the right beats or counts. I do this a measure or even half-measure at a time. The object is to get the picking rhythm correct before adding notes. It's the same as idea as how a beginner learns roll patterns: The earliest exercises are open strings. Fretted notes come later.

Good luck.

Jun 21, 2024 - 10:38:10 AM
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Thanks so much !!!

Jun 27, 2024 - 6:52:27 AM

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Hi Ken
Thanks for the help., got most of the song except for the ‘double hammer on’ on first ‘ C ‘ part can’t seem to make it work?
Frank

Jun 29, 2024 - 12:43:58 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Frank McGeehan

Thanks for the help., got most of the song except for the ‘double hammer on’ on first ‘ C ‘ part can’t seem to make it work?


Happy to have helped!

I don't see any double hammer on anywhere.

The first C chord in the middle of the first line is simply thumb-index thumb-middle with two quarter notes indicating places where the thumb-picked note gets an extra count and so is not followed by a picked note on the "and."

The C measure in the second line (repeated near the end of the third line) is probably picked by double-thumbing. Earl did this occasionally. Maybe this is the one you're interpreting as a hammer. I believe if it were supposed to be a hammer, there would be an "h".  Absence of that suggests to me the second note is picked. I am certain Earl occasionally double-thumbed, especially at low- to moderate-tempos as here.

The C measure at the start of the third line is a modified thumb-index-thumb-middle with index and middle being  picked simultaneously both times to sound the notes on second and third string. So it's thumb-index+middle-thumb-index+middle.

I hope something in here addresses what you're commenting on.

Good luck!

Jun 30, 2024 - 8:16:10 AM
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Bart Veerman

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5743 posts since 1/5/2005

What Ken said. Yup, the way Earl played stuff the melody often only was approximate, not exact. He relied on the other instruments in the band to "complete" the melody.

Yup, that's what makes it so hard for newcomers to get any kind of handle on his style of playing.

Jul 3, 2024 - 7:08:05 PM

9 posts since 11/8/2019

Thank!

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