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May 28, 2024 - 1:34:13 PM
3615 posts since 12/31/2005

Thought that would get your attention. But unless GRich is completely pranking us (and that is so hard to believe), there are some images he posted of new models Gibson is supposedly working on, including an Earl Scruggs model to be issued through Epiphone. Looks like a 3 and a bowtie in the works as well. They will probably not use "Mastertone" anymore, but I think Epiphone used "Masterbuilt" or something like that. Anyway, take a look:






 

Edited by - Brian Murphy on 05/28/2024 13:35:15

May 28, 2024 - 1:42:24 PM
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Emiel

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Where was this posted?

May 28, 2024 - 1:58 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Emiel

Where was this posted?


Facebook

May 28, 2024 - 2:00:21 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian Murphy
quote:
Originally posted by Emiel

Where was this posted?


Facebook


Thanks, I'll have a look…

May 28, 2024 - 2:03:47 PM
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DRL777

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Fakebook?

May 28, 2024 - 5:59:14 PM

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Just remember, everything you read on Facebook is entirely true. As long as it's on the Internet you can take it for Gospel.
Now, back to reality. The straight pull tailpieces look like Gold Tone equipment. Could someone have photoshopped the pictures? I don't see Epiphone producing banjos with that style tailpiece, no matter what the advantages are.

May 28, 2024 - 6:29:28 PM

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Gold Tone knocked off the Price patent tailpiece. They got caught and were forced to "license" it. That patent has expired and one may procure these from any Chinese vendor for barely any money. At one time they were on Aliexpress for just a few bucks shipped.

May 28, 2024 - 11:00:02 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Culloden

Just remember, everything you read on Facebook is entirely true. As long as it's on the Internet you can take it for Gospel.
 


This was posted on Facebook by Greg Rich himself…  saying it is real. And confirming that the block contains the word "Mastertone".

Edited by - Emiel on 05/28/2024 23:03:59

May 29, 2024 - 3:09:26 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Emiel

And confirming that the block contains the word "Mastertone".


A trademark owned by Goldtone apparently.

May 29, 2024 - 9:02:59 AM
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Meanwhile on Facebook, Greg Rich wants to know: Who in the Scruggs family approved this Epiphone Scruggs model ?

May 29, 2024 - 9:10:19 AM

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Caveat Emptor

May 29, 2024 - 10:05:17 AM

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Why the suspicion? Epiphone makes good guitars, and their current quality is now well-respected by the guitar gurus on YouTube that I watch. They have really upped their game from the '80s and '90s when they made garbage. Saga proved that banjos can be well made overseas (Japan). I have great respect for GRich for showing that the Chinese can make good banjos. GoldTone also has shown that. When GRich had banjos in China, even diehard made-in-the-USA Gibson devotees praised them (and for good reason). But some of these same folks reflexively dismiss GoldTone unjustly and now are bashing Gibson when all we have seen are concept drawings. C'mon folks. There is no reason (yet) to believe that the new Epiphones will be anything other than another good entrant in the market. At least wait to play one, assuming they are made.

May 29, 2024 - 11:15:57 AM
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grich

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These photos came from a very reliable source and have been confirmed by a few other inside sources. Just wait until I tell you the next piece of information.
Just need a confirmation before I post it

May 31, 2024 - 1:00:22 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by grich

These photos came from a very reliable source and have been confirmed by a few other inside sources. Just wait until I tell you the next piece of information.
Just need a confirmation before I post it



 

May 31, 2024 - 1:25:18 PM

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Obviously there was some sort of agreement made that got Gibson Inc to withdraw their opposition in 2021. Perhaps they agreed to both use the name "Mastertone"?

May 31, 2024 - 1:50:18 PM
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grich

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A Gibson retailer who deals with a lot of Epiphone product told me the new banjo line will debut in june.
He also said the new line will have the Mastertone block which I just don't understand if Goldtone claims they have it trademarked.

May 31, 2024 - 6:34:48 PM
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Fire up the popcorn machine!

Jun 1, 2024 - 12:24:21 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by grich

A Gibson retailer who deals with a lot of Epiphone product told me the new banjo line will debut in june.
He also said the new line will have the Mastertone block which I just don't understand if Goldtone claims they have it trademarked.


Trademark search USPTO shows Gold Tone as the owner of the Mastertone trademark. Also the Potter Violin Co. owns it. Gibson is not mentioned.

Jun 1, 2024 - 5:31:22 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Emiel
quote:
Originally posted by grich

A Gibson retailer who deals with a lot of Epiphone product told me the new banjo line will debut in june.
He also said the new line will have the Mastertone block which I just don't understand if Goldtone claims they have it trademarked.


Trademark search USPTO shows Gold Tone as the owner of the Mastertone trademark. Also the Potter Violin Co. owns it. Gibson is not mentioned.


You have to read the documents.  Gibson opposed the trademark.  Lots of back and forth, then some sort of agreement was made off record and Gibson withdrew their opposition.

Jun 2, 2024 - 6:58:20 AM

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Jun 2, 2024 - 7:37:21 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by grich

Here you !

debug-6.epiphone.com/en-US/p/B...-Sunburst


Here's a description of the banjo from the Epiphone web site...

"The Epiphone Earl Scruggs Golden Deluxe Banjo features a 3-ply maple resonator with figured maple veneer, 3-ply maple rim, and gold hardware, including a gold plated armrest with Earl Scruggs-inspired engraving, and a 20 hole gold plated custom engraved Greg Rich flathead tonering."

Jun 2, 2024 - 8:03:02 AM

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quote:

Here's a description of the banjo from the Epiphone web site...

"The Epiphone Earl Scruggs Golden Deluxe Banjo features a 3-ply maple resonator with figured maple veneer, 3-ply maple rim, and gold hardware, including a gold plated armrest with Earl Scruggs-inspired engraving, and a 20 hole gold plated custom engraved Greg Rich flathead tonering."


??? I don't see a reference to Grich.  It reads (at least now), "including a gold plated armrest with Earl Scruggs-inspired engraving."  The phrase you include about "Greg Rich flathead tonering" is not there.  Banjo nerd conspiracy theorists (including me) are going to go bonkers over this.
https://debug-6.epiphone.com/en-US/p/Banjo/Earl-Scruggs-Golden-Deluxe-Banjo/Vintage-Sunburst

But it does plainly state "Mastertone" so some kind of deal might have been struck.  We now have two different makers producing Mastertone banjos.  Is Grich really Wayne Rogers?  Has anyone ever seen them together?   Mind blown.

Edited by - Brian Murphy on 06/02/2024 08:06:01

Jun 2, 2024 - 8:51:54 AM

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This is only a preview website so details are going to changing. However there is also a brass hoop open back model:

debug-6.epiphone.com/en-GB/p/B...o/Natural

There's also a Mastertone Classic

https://debug-6.epiphone.com/en-GB/p/Banjo/Mastertone-Classic-Banjo/Natural

Edited by - GrahamHawker on 06/02/2024 09:01:32

Jun 2, 2024 - 10:17:37 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by GrahamHawker

This is only a preview website so details are going to changing. However there is also a brass hoop open back model:

debug-6.epiphone.com/en-GB/p/B...o/Natural

There's also a Mastertone Classic

https://debug-6.epiphone.com/en-GB/p/Banjo/Mastertone-Classic-Banjo/Natural


So the Classic is a 250 with a rosewood board or a 3 with fiddle cut peghead.  The Openback is sorta like the RB-170s but with bow ties.

It will be interesting to try these, but I like the concepts and the price points seem right.  They are also coming out with an all solid wood F style mandolin for $600 with gig bag.   Gibson ain't playing around here.  They're coming at RK and Eastman.  https://debug-6.epiphone.com/en-US/p/Mandolin/F-5-Studio/Vintage-Sunburst-Satin

Edited by - Brian Murphy on 06/02/2024 10:24:22

Jun 2, 2024 - 10:29:45 AM
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Emiel

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The openback model is also a "Mastertone" model, though being openback and with only a brass hoop tonering (or no tonering at all?).

Jun 2, 2024 - 10:32:48 AM

lazyarcher

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7383 posts since 4/19/2004

quote:
Originally posted by Brian Murphy
quote:

Here's a description of the banjo from the Epiphone web site...

"The Epiphone Earl Scruggs Golden Deluxe Banjo features a 3-ply maple resonator with figured maple veneer, 3-ply maple rim, and gold hardware, including a gold plated armrest with Earl Scruggs-inspired engraving, and a 20 hole gold plated custom engraved Greg Rich flathead tonering."


??? I don't see a reference to Grich.  It reads (at least now), "including a gold plated armrest with Earl Scruggs-inspired engraving."  The phrase you include about "Greg Rich flathead tonering" is not there.  Banjo nerd conspiracy theorists (including me) are going to go bonkers over this.
https://debug-6.epiphone.com/en-US/p/Banjo/Earl-Scruggs-Golden-Deluxe-Banjo/Vintage-Sunburst

But it does plainly state "Mastertone" so some kind of deal might have been struck.  We now have two different makers producing Mastertone banjos.  Is Grich really Wayne Rogers?  Has anyone ever seen them together?   Mind blown.


I was teasing Greg..and stirring the nerd conspiracy community. Greg has already called me this morning and theres a contract out on me..

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