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May 26, 2024 - 10:04:39 AM
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Here's a lesson on two cool roll patterns I use a lot. Enjoy!

May 26, 2024 - 11:16:15 AM

666 posts since 11/2/2009

Thank you, Gabe. I love you man!

May 26, 2024 - 11:32:12 AM
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16636 posts since 6/30/2020

Gabe, thanks for posting this. It’s a very useful tool.
A few years ago I was messing around looking for a movable roll that would work universally and did not include playing the 5th string. I stumbled across the same forward roll, and as I continued play around with it I discovered that it could be easily manipulated to an 8 note forward-reverse roll with the forward part played as you demonstrate, and the reverse part played several ways using different string combinations starting with index on the B string and changing around the last three notes of the 8 note roll into different combinations for different sounds or chord walks.

Edited by - Pick-A-Lick on 05/26/2024 11:32:56

May 26, 2024 - 4:40:50 PM

94 posts since 8/2/2014

Thanks for posting brother. That's cool!

May 27, 2024 - 8:34:55 AM

666 posts since 11/2/2009

I do have a question - since the forward roll end with the M, and the backward starts with the M, do you have a standard way that you put them together without hitting the M twice? When I was working them this morning, I put 4 note combination together in between them to avoid the double M, but I was wondering how you do it when practicing them.

May 27, 2024 - 9:09:55 AM

3800 posts since 4/5/2006

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Originally posted by gcpicken

I do have a question - since the forward roll end with the M, and the backward starts with the M, do you have a standard way that you put them together without hitting the M twice? When I was working them this morning, I put 4 note combination together in between them to avoid the double M, but I was wondering how you do it when practicing them.


Be creative. The first rule of BG banjo is, there are no rules! There is nothing to prevent picking the 1st string with the thumb, & go from there. It's called single string. smiley

May 27, 2024 - 12:24:30 PM

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Nice stuff. I used it in a couple of Alan Munde tabs, but never worked it up to speed. Thanks for the inspiration.

May 27, 2024 - 2:48:07 PM
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666 posts since 11/2/2009

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Originally posted by monstertone
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Originally posted by gcpicken

I do have a question - since the forward roll end with the M, and the backward starts with the M, do you have a standard way that you put them together without hitting the M twice? When I was working them this morning, I put 4 note combination together in between them to avoid the double M, but I was wondering how you do it when practicing them.


Be creative. The first rule of BG banjo is, there are no rules! There is nothing to prevent picking the 1st string with the thumb, & go from there. It's called single string. smiley


Oh my goodness. Of course. And I've been working Pikelny's Artistwork Single String exercises! This is exactly why  will always be stinko! This would have occured to me in a few months.

May 27, 2024 - 3:08:30 PM

666 posts since 11/2/2009

quote:
Originally posted by gcpicken
quote:
Originally posted by monstertone
quote:
Originally posted by gcpicken

I do have a question - since the forward roll end with the M, and the backward starts with the M, do you have a standard way that you put them together without hitting the M twice? When I was working them this morning, I put 4 note combination together in between them to avoid the double M, but I was wondering how you do it when practicing them.


Be creative. The first rule of BG banjo is, there are no rules! There is nothing to prevent picking the 1st string with the thumb, & go from there. It's called single string. smiley


Oh my goodness. Of course. And I've been working Pikelny's Artistwork Single String exercises! This is exactly why  will always be stinko! This would have occured to me in a few months.


Wait - that does not work out to MTIM on the way down (if that is what we are trying to accomplish).

May 28, 2024 - 6:33:19 AM
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4846 posts since 3/28/2008

If you want to combine them, try TITM-TMTI on strings 4321-5123. That gives you a one-measure repeatable pattern.

I note that Gabe calls these "forward roll" and "backward roll" patterns. Those terms describe their musical qualities--the order of the strings played and and notes heard--but in terms of banjo technique, they're actually alternating-thumb patterns, like in "Cripple Creek", "Shuckin' The Corn", "Doing My Time", etc.

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