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High Iranian Officials Apparently Die in Helicopter Crash

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May 19, 2024 - 9:35:55 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

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28043 posts since 6/25/2005

Per Iranian state media: No signs of life where [Iranian President] Raisi’s helicopter crashed. Reported by The Washington Post. Also reported likely killed: the Foreign Minister of the country. I'm surprised both were on the same helicopter. Iran is no friend of the U.S., but this one's a shock. Probably won't mean any change in our relations with Iran since the President and Foreign Minister really have no significant power. 

May 19, 2024 - 9:51:09 PM

12768 posts since 8/22/2006

I will be expecting some type of blame directed at the USA or Israel and maybe some from of misguided retaliations. There have been rumors of a black swan event which would involve the US in a deepening conflict with Iran and their Allies.

May 19, 2024 - 10:11:01 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

28043 posts since 6/25/2005

At this point, there's no claim of sabotage or external cause. The cause seems to have been the extremely heavy fog in the mountainous area. Fog, mountains and helicopters are a bad combination. Cf. the Kobe Bryant crash.

May 19, 2024 - 10:25:17 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers

At this point, there's no claim of sabotage or external cause. The cause seems to have been the extremely heavy fog in the mountainous area. Fog, mountains and helicopters are a bad combination. Cf. the Kobe Bryant crash.


Give it a little time someone is going to say USA or Israel was somehow involved. 

May 20, 2024 - 4:39:58 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

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30200 posts since 8/3/2003

That was my first thought when I heard of the helicopter crash: they're going to blame the U.S. somehow. Hopefully, I'm wrong and they won't use this crash as a way to deepen tensions with the U.S.

May 20, 2024 - 5:34:35 AM

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Idk..
But i got told...

The indigenous..population...
Cheered... at his demise..

May 20, 2024 - 6:08:12 AM
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Owen

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15162 posts since 6/5/2011

Those high (?) officials wouldn't happen to be political officials would they? devil

May 20, 2024 - 6:25:46 AM

Buddur

USA

3934 posts since 10/23/2004

Circumstances of the crash are similar to that which took Kobe Bryant...

...flying in foggy conditions.

May 20, 2024 - 6:39:06 AM

62129 posts since 12/14/2005

Of COURSE the USA and Israel will be accused of causing the fog and the mountains and the crash.

If people are looking for someone to hate, mere FACTS don't count.

Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, there was a member of the Sikh community, in Wisconsin, killed by a person who was out for revenge against the Muslims.

Sikhism is NOT a branch of Islam, but the murderer didn't need facts, just hate.

May 20, 2024 - 6:56:06 AM

Owen

Canada

15162 posts since 6/5/2011

As I understand it, Canada and Iran have not had "diplomatic relations" for about a dozen years.  Fwiw, my initial reaction was ho-hum, rather than figuring "they" would want to blame Canada.  Where did I go wrong?*

* = And I hope that isn't an invite for guys to start a list.  wink

Edit: Many years ago I saw an editorial cartoon. NATO big-wigs were behind a table [with the pre-requisite maps] in a war-room (?). The caption was along the lines of: "...and Germany will provide diversionary air maneuvers along this valley, and France will supply infantry support on the left flank ...etc. ... and Canada will bring the coffee and do-nuts."  yes

Edited by - Owen on 05/20/2024 07:06:11

May 20, 2024 - 7:05:57 AM
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Jbo1

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1340 posts since 5/19/2007

Well, Israel does have those space lasers....

May 20, 2024 - 7:13:20 AM
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RB3

USA

2025 posts since 4/12/2004

It's been reported that the craft went down in a mountainous region under foggy conditions. The New York Times cited an Iranian state media report that attributed the crash to a "technical failure". It appears to have all the elements of a foggy mountain breakdown.

May 20, 2024 - 8:46:25 AM
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Helicopter probably experienced a Foggy Mountain Breakdown.

Edited by - banjojason on 05/20/2024 08:46:53

May 20, 2024 - 9:53:36 AM

16098 posts since 12/2/2005

quote:
Originally posted by 5B-Ranch
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers

At this point, there's no claim of sabotage or external cause. The cause seems to have been the extremely heavy fog in the mountainous area. Fog, mountains and helicopters are a bad combination. Cf. the Kobe Bryant crash.


Give it a little time someone is going to say USA or Israel was somehow involved. 


At least one Iranian official is already blaming US sanctions because they can't get parts for their aircraft. This heli was reportedly an old American-built one.

May 20, 2024 - 11:20:02 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

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quote:
Originally posted by eagleisland
quote:
Originally posted by 5B-Ranch
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers

At this point, there's no claim of sabotage or external cause. The cause seems to have been the extremely heavy fog in the mountainous area. Fog, mountains and helicopters are a bad combination. Cf. the Kobe Bryant crash.


Give it a little time someone is going to say USA or Israel was somehow involved. 


At least one Iranian official is already blaming US sanctions because they can't get parts for their aircraft. This heli was reportedly an old American-built one.


If the helicopter was old and they couldn't get parts for it, why were the using it at all, much less as the transport of their most influential people?   

May 20, 2024 - 11:29:26 AM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

28043 posts since 6/25/2005

Exactly. Too long a flight to risk gov’t bigwigs in a helicopter.

May 20, 2024 - 11:46:02 AM

Buddur

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3934 posts since 10/23/2004

Was it fog...

...or a smoke screen.   (cue intro to Dragnet theme)

May 20, 2024 - 12:00:32 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo
 

If the helicopter was old and they couldn't get parts for it, why were the using it at all, much less as the transport of their most influential people?   


Maybe I'm displaying my American bias here, but it would seem that the government there isn't exactly run but the best and brightest....

May 20, 2024 - 1:07 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

28043 posts since 6/25/2005

After seeing a map of the area, I realized they used a ‘copter likely because there was no place near the dam site for a fixed-wing plane to land. Why they did not have a more modern one was their doing; they certainly have access to aircraft from countries that ignore U.S. and European sanctions.

May 20, 2024 - 2:35:33 PM

62129 posts since 12/14/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Buddur

Was it fog...

...or a smoke screen.   (cue intro to Dragnet theme)


"Admit it, Joe! You can't smoke enough of those, fast enough, to screen an entire mountain!!"

May 20, 2024 - 4:16 PM

7690 posts since 7/24/2013

Blaming the US or Israel would not be unreasonable given our history there. Although it was probably just a 35 year old chopper with a poor maintenance record due to US sanctions on parts.

May 20, 2024 - 4:21:34 PM

7690 posts since 7/24/2013

quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers

After seeing a map of the area, I realized they used a ‘copter likely because there was no place near the dam site for a fixed-wing plane to land. Why they did not have a more modern one was their doing; they certainly have access to aircraft from countries that ignore U.S. and European sanctions.


They have a contract with Russia that involves Mi-28 choppers, but that deal and the Ukraine war happened at the same time, so they probably are delayed. 

May 20, 2024 - 4:59:34 PM

chuckv97

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Somebody once said “love your enemies”,, maybe he meant love them dead… devil

Edited by - chuckv97 on 05/20/2024 17:00:17

May 20, 2024 - 5:18:20 PM

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Outside of a small circle of friends."
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May 20, 2024 - 5:25:46 PM

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Edited by - chuckv97 on 05/20/2024 17:26:04

May 20, 2024 - 8:43:58 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

28043 posts since 6/25/2005

Other info that we probably won’t learn, at least with any accuracy: Was the helicopter IFR equipped, and, if so, was that equipment in use and working properly? Was the pilot IFR-rated? What was the equipment failure blamed for the crash?

IFR=Instrimemt Flight Rules

Edited by - Bill Rogers on 05/20/2024 20:45:13

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