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Apr 17, 2024 - 8:29:05 AM
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479 posts since 9/23/2009

Usual disclaimer. Looks like the least expensive Stelling around at the moment. 

Apr 17, 2024 - 9:24:24 AM
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344 posts since 4/17/2011

I'll never forget the Guitar Center $2500 Staghorn

Apr 17, 2024 - 9:47:11 AM
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3592 posts since 12/31/2005

With Stellings, I would always want to know if it is from the ebonite era (error).

Apr 17, 2024 - 10:21:59 AM
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KCJones

USA

3017 posts since 8/30/2012

The nut needs to be replaced and it's one of those fancy Stelling compensated nuts so might be harder to replace nowadays.

Still a great deal. Even if it's from the ebanol era, it's still arguably a good price.

 I assume the price is just the universe spiting me for saying we'd never see another sub-$3k Stelling the other day. So I guess I'll say 'You're Welcome' to everyone for bringing Stelling prices back down. wink

Edited by - KCJones on 04/17/2024 10:25:39

Apr 17, 2024 - 2:06:33 PM

1677 posts since 11/10/2022

I dont think we will ever see a stelling below 1500....wink

 

Hopefully my mojo is bad too.

Apr 17, 2024 - 3:11:05 PM

15228 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by KCJones

The nut needs to be replaced


What do you see that tells you that?

Apr 17, 2024 - 3:44:08 PM

KCJones

USA

3017 posts since 8/30/2012

It looks to me like there's a piece chipped off between the 1st string and the edge. But maybe that's an optical illusion. 

Also now that I'm looking at it, more questions come up. The tuners are mismatched, at least one of them is definitely not original. The yellowing on the binding seems pretty extensive, more than I've seen even on early 80s models... makes me wonder what it smells like. The hardware we can see, particularly the armrest, looks like it's fairly worn, and the tension hoop possibly has some corrosion on it(?)... Hard to say but it's not good. Also it's got the unfortunate "sliding capo" addition which means holes drilled in the neck, aside from the (subjective opinion) terrible look of those things. It would need a new head as well. 

It looks like there's some visible seams in the rim, to the left of the tailpiece, that possibly indicate that this is a block rim, giving a hint of the possible vintage.

2900+shipping/tax+setup/repairs. Maybe it's not so amazing of a deal after all. 

Edited by - KCJones on 04/17/2024 15:54:17

Apr 17, 2024 - 4:34:26 PM
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rcc56

USA

5103 posts since 2/20/2016

Well, the other Sunflowers I see start at $4000 and go up from there to $5200. There is one in Europe for ~$3700 USD, but by the time one pays shipping and duties, that one will also be over 4k.

So this one might need some cleaning up. Tuners can be changed, capos removed and the screw holes filled, and nuts aren't too expensive. Even if on has to put $300 into this one, the price seems favorable to me.

For the sake of comparison: banjowarehouse.com/product-cat...g-banjos/
Yeah, we know that BW's prices tend to be stiff, but note that these are their "sale" prices.

Apr 19, 2024 - 12:32:48 AM
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9 posts since 4/18/2024

I took the risk and dropped the $3k hoping this might be a find. Why was it mentioned the head would need to be replaced?

Is there anything I should look for in case I need to return it? Any tips or hints, I consider myself unskilled in what to look for so any insight would be much appreciated. I am thinking I should take it to another shop to get it looked over. Could someone clear up what the block rim means in terms of vintage? 

Edited by - MrTarGoon on 04/19/2024 00:40:03

Apr 19, 2024 - 1:41:39 AM

rcc56

USA

5103 posts since 2/20/2016

I've heard stories of GC instruments not being packed very well before shipping.
Make sure the peghead and neck heel survived the Journey!!

Most used instruments need at least a little bit setup work to play their best. I hope somebody in your neck of the woods can help you with that.

If there's anything wrong with the banjo head, I didn't notice it in the picture. Maybe KC saw something I missed. Or maybe he prefers to install a fresh head on any new purchase.

Apr 19, 2024 - 6:04:37 AM

479 posts since 9/23/2009

I'm betting you can get away with a basic setup and be good to go. At some point you may want to replace the tuners, which is an easy mechanical operation. Make sure the sliding capo doesn't rattle. And please report back on it - congrats!

Apr 19, 2024 - 7:18:46 AM
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812 posts since 4/28/2012

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Originally posted by KingStudent

I'm betting you can get away with a basic setup and be good to go.


Well......you'd be betting wrong.

That's not all it needs.....

This banjo is just 20 minutes from me.

There is an extraordinary amount of grime,

gunk, and build-up around the neck and 

finger board. GC didn't even bother to clean it before hanging it. It's definitely going to need new tuners sometime soon. The action is high and it sure is heavy! The clear head was installed by someone who didn't know what they were doing.The entire banjo needs to be taken apart and cleaned from top to bottom!

Edited by - Mark Douglas on 04/19/2024 07:22:25

Apr 19, 2024 - 7:27:24 AM

812 posts since 4/28/2012

quote:
Originally posted by MrTarGoon

I took the risk and dropped the $3k hoping this might be a find. Why was it mentioned the head would need to be replaced?

 


 

Yeah.....it's a find alright.

Hope you enjoy all the old remnants from the 

eighties in the case. Be prepared to put about 

$500 in it to get it playing optimally. If you 

don't care about playability....just clean it up

and it's another day in paradise!

Apr 19, 2024 - 7:34:01 AM

479 posts since 9/23/2009

Well ... at least most of that's DIY :) And as far as the weight goes, that's Stelling for ya! But it'd be well worth it even for an additional $500 it seems to me.

Edited by - KingStudent on 04/19/2024 07:35:28

Apr 19, 2024 - 7:50:13 AM
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812 posts since 4/28/2012

quote:
Originally posted by KingStudent

Well ... at least most of that's DIY :) 


 

1. Cleaning - yes, DIY

2. Fret dresing- he needs help.

3. New head- he needs help.

4. New tuners- he needs help.

5. Set up- he needs help.

I think that covers everything.

 

Please read the buyers previous post.

He is not familiar with working on banjos!

Edited by - Mark Douglas on 04/19/2024 07:53:29

Apr 19, 2024 - 7:58:01 AM

479 posts since 9/23/2009

$500 it is then. But still!

Apr 19, 2024 - 8:16:34 AM

1677 posts since 11/10/2022

I love impulse buyers. Passion for the deal.

When I buy used from GC, I call their manager (have his card in my desk), have it shipped to my local GC and try it before I buy it. Not all will do this for you but mine will.

I have had to pass on a few. Im not a fan of old Stellings but love the newer ones. I didnt see this one as a great deal but glad it found a home.

Apr 19, 2024 - 9:08:16 AM

812 posts since 4/28/2012

I sure hope he doesn't find any additional "surprises" on this banjo.

This banjo was definitely "rode hard and put away wet".....LOL

Apr 19, 2024 - 10:08:11 AM
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Thank you for the feedback, looks like people are saying this a decent but not good deal with the additional fix/setup needed. I think there are some good resources I could use in the VA / MD area to do the work Mark described since I want it to play optimally. I was pressed between this banjo, nechville zeus or a Sullivan V35 an about the same $3000. I liked the idea of Stelling since they seem somewhat collectible now and was most likely made in my neck of the woods VA which is another thing that drew me to it.

Edited by - MrTarGoon on 04/19/2024 10:17:35

Apr 19, 2024 - 10:10:08 AM

9 posts since 4/18/2024

Should I return the Stelling and get instead:

Nechville Zeus:
reverb.com/item/78633852-nechv...tor-banjo

Sullivan v35:
banjobarn.com/banjo/104251

Apr 19, 2024 - 10:27:48 AM

9 posts since 4/18/2024

Does that Sullivan look like it has a bent 5th peg?

Edited by - MrTarGoon on 04/19/2024 10:33:00

Apr 19, 2024 - 11:36:48 AM

1677 posts since 11/10/2022

Most would recommend you play them and pick the one you like. I played a Staghorn last year at Gruhns and loved the sound, in fact was blown away by it. But Ive played several well setup stelling jers since and realized they dont all have the same juice. Same can be said for all brands. Your in a great area to go try used ones. You might find a 200 dollar one that sings to you.

Theres to many barely played Stellings to take a beat up one.

Apr 19, 2024 - 1:49:07 PM
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812 posts since 4/28/2012

quote:
Originally posted by MrTarGoon

I liked the idea of Stelling since they seem somewhat collectible now and was most likely made in my neck of the woods VA which is another thing that drew me to it.


 

If that's the case.....keep the Stelling!

Get it serviced to be the best banjo it can be

and don't look back!

If you feel good about the fact that it's made

in your geographic area....then you should 

keep the Stelling. But NOT because it's 

collectible. Keep it because:

1. It sounds great!

2. Made in your "neck of the woods"

3. Once you service it, it will never let you down.

4. Guaranteed to "cut through" at jam sessions.

5. Every Stelling banjo is a work of art.

6. You will be more inclined to practice/play more with a quality instrument.

7. When you go to be with Jesus, your family will have no trouble selling it!

 

Make that your personal banjo with no second guessing if you bought the best?

You did!

Enjoy the ride!

Edited by - Mark Douglas on 04/19/2024 13:49:27

Apr 19, 2024 - 5:59:53 PM

9 posts since 4/18/2024

Thank you Mark, make me feel better about the purchase.

Apr 19, 2024 - 8:07:59 PM
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KCJones

USA

3017 posts since 8/30/2012

I'd take a Stelling over those other two choices in a second and it's not even close.

Apr 20, 2024 - 6:42:21 AM

479 posts since 9/23/2009

I have to agree with KCJones. I bought a tenor (!) from Geoff at his shop (in VA) some years ago and he graciously showed us the workshop, new banjos he was working on, etc. - impressive doesn't begin to cover it.

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