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Feb 27, 2024 - 10:19:01 AM
13728 posts since 2/22/2007

A young White American male, in the Air Force, fatally sets himself on fire to protest -------XXXXXXXXX-------- it really doesn't matter what he was protesting and discussing that would lead us to lock. But I'm finding a strange amount of online support for his actions, which to me seem have been caused by CSMI, contagious social mental illness, a term which I just now made up. Does this seem like a heroic act to anyone?

Feb 27, 2024 - 10:31:04 AM
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Owen

Canada

14821 posts since 6/5/2011

I dunno whether it has to be either/or. 

I contend that we all have a civic duty to at least not turn a blind eye to wrongdoing.  How each individual chooses to do that is largely his/her choice.  Being a "man of conviction" carries some weight, IMNSHumbleO, although I suspect there will be much "lost in translation/fart in a hurricane" between him and those who can implement substantive change.

Feb 27, 2024 - 10:38:25 AM

3723 posts since 4/5/2006

Just goes to, dare I say verify, the extent some people afflicted with CSMI will go.

Feb 27, 2024 - 11:04:57 AM
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banjo bill-e

Tuvalu

13728 posts since 2/22/2007

The last words of Aaron Bushnell:

Many of us like to ask ourselves, "what would I do if I was alive during slavery?------------what would I do if my country was committing genocide?" The answer is, you're doing it. Right now.

perhaps a subject worth discussing?

Edited by - banjo bill-e on 02/27/2024 11:05:25

Feb 27, 2024 - 11:11:29 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

29958 posts since 8/3/2003

I cannot imagine anyone setting themselves on fire for any reason. There are other ways to protest, to state your opinion that don't end in your being maimed, disfigured or killed.

I can't imagine a sane person doing anything like that.

Feb 27, 2024 - 11:11:46 AM
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rinemb

USA

16142 posts since 5/24/2005

A new book is out, now. "Martyr" by Kevah Akbar. A novel about a down and out man, who has a lot of problems, then decides to kill himself, but spends time investigating how to commit suicide and his life finally meaning something. (maybe this dude read the book) Where to light himself up is one consideration. Full disclosure, I did not read it, but I did go to the author event at our local independent book store.

Feb 27, 2024 - 11:18:27 AM
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987 posts since 2/11/2019

MK Ultra

Feb 27, 2024 - 11:48:20 AM

291 posts since 4/7/2023

Heroic protest I suggest, but under which alcohol or drug ? Sadly in an awful mess just the same..

Feb 27, 2024 - 11:51:28 AM
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987 posts since 2/11/2019

quote:
Originally posted by banjo bill-e

A young White American male, in the Air Force, fatally sets himself on fire to protest -------XXXXXXXXX-------- it really doesn't matter what he was protesting and discussing that would lead us to lock. But I'm finding a strange amount of online support for his actions, which to me seem have been caused by CSMI, contagious social mental illness, a term which I just now made up. Does this seem like a heroic act to anyone?


To answer your question.  Absolutely not.  And in a few days it will be forgotten by everyone except people who knew him or personally witnessed it.

Feb 27, 2024 - 12:26:30 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

27869 posts since 6/25/2005

I think back to watching Buddhist monks immolate themselves during the Vietnam War. But that was different and involved their religious training and cultural context. I think there was more going on with this young man than a felt need to protest U.S. policy and Israeli actions.

Edited by - Bill Rogers on 02/27/2024 13:42:53

Feb 27, 2024 - 12:41:35 PM

Owen

Canada

14821 posts since 6/5/2011

Sherry: "I can't imagine a sane person doing anything like that."

Not pertaining to protesting, but .... I can, IF those in charge of telling individuals what is best for "everybody" don't get MAiD "right."

Edited by - Owen on 02/27/2024 12:49:00

Feb 27, 2024 - 1:34:40 PM
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rinemb

USA

16142 posts since 5/24/2005

Side note...I would rather someone light themselves up, then shoot up a venue with guns, or mow down folks with a truck, or set bombs.
That said, I would imagine inducing that much pain to one's self involves mental illness or drugs or a combination of both. With acts like monks etc being a bit an exception involving extreme zealousness, faith, etc. Brad

Feb 27, 2024 - 1:41:42 PM
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If the choices given are a firmly held belief versus some nonsense you just made up, there isn’t much of a choice to be made.

It does matter what someone is protesting. If they burned themselves in front of the Hershey factory to protest a reduction of caramel in a particular candy bar, that would seem extreme. In this situation I am surprised it hasn’t happened more.

There is no need for mental illness to do such a thing, it’s really just an inability to be indifferent. Most humans are blessed with the ability to not care beyond what it personally convenient.

Edited by - South Jersey Mike on 02/27/2024 13:42:29

Feb 27, 2024 - 1:55:27 PM

banjo bill-e

Tuvalu

13728 posts since 2/22/2007

Perhaps it is nonsense, Mike, but I do believe that how his actions would be viewed and praised on social media played a major role in his decision. I also tend to believe that he learned and absorbed his views and attitudes about his cause of the day from social media, and that two years ago this ongoing thing which we are not mentioning was not even on his radar.

Feb 27, 2024 - 2:37:18 PM

raybob

USA

14090 posts since 12/11/2003

Tried to post a link from WAPO that gives a little about his background and personal history. Something about the link BHO didn't like. (I've had this happen before, and it is a little irritating because I don't know why an article from a mass media provider should be rejected.)
He was raised in a religious compound on Cape Cod. The article also mentions "anarchist" tendencies. He was evidently planning to leave the USAF in the spring. The article should be easy to find if you're interested.

Feb 27, 2024 - 2:44:11 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by South Jersey Mike

If the choices given are a firmly held belief versus some nonsense you just made up, there isn’t much of a choice to be made.

It does matter what someone is protesting. If they burned themselves in front of the Hershey factory to protest a reduction of caramel in a particular candy bar, that would seem extreme. In this situation I am surprised it hasn’t happened more.

There is no need for mental illness to do such a thing, it’s really just an inability to be indifferent. Most humans are blessed with the ability to not care beyond what it personally convenient.


As someone with no personal ties to the conflict, I do still care and certainly prefer it not be taking place because people shouldn't be killing one another.  However, we are lied to so much I refuse to take a side because I truly don't know what's real.  I do know we are constantly being played and there is a segment that wants this type of behavior.  Anytime I feel pressure to feel outraged over something, I gotta step back and wonder what is it they aren't telling us.  I firmly believe the person who did this was controlled.  I have no proof of this but it's what I think.

Feb 27, 2024 - 2:47:19 PM
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12674 posts since 8/22/2006

Well if he lit himself up to protest then maybe others with the same beliefs might mimic this behavior? New meaning to light my fire. No I don’t feel any remorse for someone who would choose this rather than go a different an more productive route of protest. Did he accomplish anything with this action other than show his mental state?

Edited by - 5B-Ranch on 02/27/2024 14:55:00

Feb 27, 2024 - 3:04:46 PM

40816 posts since 3/5/2008

Just not right in the head..

I do wonder if he had ..help..
Getting that way... :0/

Feb 27, 2024 - 4:35:27 PM

RB3

USA

1981 posts since 4/12/2004

Below is a a link to the story in the Washington Post.  According to the story, there were others who left the religious compound when they became adults and had difficulty adjusting to life outside the compound.

Aaron Bushnell Self Immolation

Feb 27, 2024 - 6:47:54 PM

raybob

USA

14090 posts since 12/11/2003

Wayne, The link doesn't take me to the article. It says, "This site can't be reached". I'm just wondering, did BHO block WAPO articles ? (Just because, like I said, this has happened to me more than once.)

Feb 27, 2024 - 6:57:48 PM

Owen

Canada

14821 posts since 6/5/2011

I got ^^ that message too, but googling "Bushnell immolation Washington Post" yielded this [which sounds like it is quite similar]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/02/26/israeli-embassy-airman-fire-death-gaza/

Feb 28, 2024 - 4:42:11 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by South Jersey Mike

If the choices given are a firmly held belief versus some nonsense you just made up, there isn’t much of a choice to be made.

It does matter what someone is protesting. If they burned themselves in front of the Hershey factory to protest a reduction of caramel in a particular candy bar, that would seem extreme. In this situation I am surprised it hasn’t happened more.

There is no need for mental illness to do such a thing, it’s really just an inability to be indifferent. Most humans are blessed with the ability to not care beyond what it personally convenient.


One thing is fer sure..

He used himself as a tool of statement..

 

Most parrents i know.. would sacrifice..themselves for thier children..

 

Might this be an extream use of this kind of response..?

 

The sticking up for the underdog ..so to speak.?

 

Or is it just suicide..by ..statement.n conviction of percived right n wrong..

I dunno..

But he did not take annahbody 

elese with him..

Lota  suicide practitioners..do..

Feb 28, 2024 - 8:08:54 AM

Buddur

USA

3850 posts since 10/23/2004

Some people go to the extreme to make a point.

I'm sure he received praise for his dedication to the demonstration, but I'll bet he regretted his decision not too long after the flick of the Bic.

Feb 28, 2024 - 8:19:20 AM
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79566 posts since 5/9/2007

It was an horrific display by someone who had lost all hope in a solution from the powers that be.
I believe he's having the response he wanted and was willing to spend his life for.
He knew the world would be watching and might come away with wanting to improve things.

Feb 28, 2024 - 8:59:48 AM
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RB3

USA

1981 posts since 4/12/2004

raybob/owen,

I read the Washington Post story using the "immersive reader" function on my browser and then copied the link while I was still in the immersive reader. I think that's why the link did not work.

Feb 28, 2024 - 9:35:59 AM

bill53

USA

591 posts since 3/26/2004

Richard Pryor tried it but he put out the fire he said when that fire hits you you will move lol

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