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Feb 21, 2024 - 8:42:25 AM
40847 posts since 3/5/2008

education...? :0/

Feb 21, 2024 - 9:00:46 AM
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banjo bill-e

Tuvalu

13736 posts since 2/22/2007

A proper education gives one the basic knowledge and tools needed to deal with life, and the ability to seek out and evaluate new information as needed. One should be able to read with comprehension, write legibly with an accepted level of spelling accuracy and grammar, speak clearly enough to communicate, perform basic mathematics, know basic facts of science and physics and geography and biology/health, and understand enough about law and finance to avoid common pitfalls. For a start.

Feb 21, 2024 - 9:12:32 AM

Buddur

USA

3858 posts since 10/23/2004

Of all my schooling, it's the communication skills (reading and comprehension, interpreting, report writing, presentations, etc.) and math that I use the most.

But yeah...banjo bill-e hit the nail on the head.

Feb 21, 2024 - 10:20:17 AM

Owen

Canada

14833 posts since 6/5/2011
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In school or out of school??

In addition to Bill-e's start, I'd like to see room for things like, ".... there but for fortune / no harm no foul / other viewpoints have validity / might isn't necessarily right / etc., etc., etc." along with the notion attributed to our man Albert: "The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know."

Otoh I acknowledge that an inch deep and  a mile wide can be counter-productive.

Feb 21, 2024 - 11:11:56 AM
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7633 posts since 7/24/2013

A proper education should be useful and accurate, but useful will vary by individual. If someone graduates from an automotive program with the ability to work on automobiles they got a proper education. If they went to a predatory automotive school that took their 17K and taught them jack squat and unable to get a job in their field, that wouldn’t be a proper education.

Edited by - South Jersey Mike on 02/21/2024 11:12:31

Feb 21, 2024 - 12:03:47 PM
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banjo bill-e

Tuvalu

13736 posts since 2/22/2007

^^ Is that really education or is it vocational training? I think an auto mechanic should have been taught the same basics as a professor.

Feb 21, 2024 - 12:13:59 PM
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7633 posts since 7/24/2013

quote:
Originally posted by banjo bill-e

^^ Is that really education or is it vocational training? I think an auto mechanic should have been taught the same basics as a professor.


In my world, that's a proper education.  My mechanic doesn't need to know about the Peloponnesian war. 

Feb 21, 2024 - 12:43:23 PM

banjo bill-e

Tuvalu

13736 posts since 2/22/2007

^^That seems rather elitist, as in: he is a mechanic and that's all he is or will ever be. He should leave thinking to his betters and believe whatever he is told. And what mechanic could have any appreciation for literature or an interest in history?

Feb 21, 2024 - 1:11:02 PM

Owen

Canada

14833 posts since 6/5/2011
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Re.:  " .... doesn't need to know about the Peloponnesian war."

Tongue-in-cheek, I expect it was ditto for any/all of the profs I crossed paths with.  devil

Feb 21, 2024 - 2:24:52 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

27873 posts since 6/25/2005

One that provides the level of literacy and numeracy you need to live comfortably in the world, and during which you learn to think about and analyze things that affect you as well as events in the larger world. Note that this goes well beyond learning to do a specific job that would provide you with a decent living.

Feb 21, 2024 - 2:34:22 PM

61908 posts since 12/14/2005

Tom Paxton wrote a bouncy little song called

"What Did You Learn In School Today?"

Lucky me! I learned enough to (as mentioned above) live comfortably in the world.

They weren't real strong on warning us how checking accounts and predatory loan programs and credit cards and lying politicians work.

But I can do simple math, and write songs, and appreciate a good story.
Thanks to Latin and Spanish, I do OK on crossword puzzles.

Feb 21, 2024 - 3:06:26 PM

7633 posts since 7/24/2013

quote:
Originally posted by banjo bill-e

^^That seems rather elitist, as in: he is a mechanic and that's all he is or will ever be. He should leave thinking to his betters and believe whatever he is told. And what mechanic could have any appreciation for literature or an interest in history?


Whatever elitism you inferred from that statement was self inflicted. First, it would require me looking down on a mechanic, which is a silly assumption. Second, it's rather elitist to suggest that appreciation for literature or an interest in history are only the product of a proper education when all that is required is a curious mind. 

As I said before, I view a proper education to simply be useful and accurate. Basic literacy is an assumed quality of any education so I don't deem in necessary to include, and if one removes the fact that the US lists non-English speaking people as illiterate, the US is literate enough for a functioning society.  

Feb 22, 2024 - 5:31:48 AM
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757 posts since 11/9/2021

Formal education evolves along with the cuture of the period. In the 1900's and earlier, there was more emphasis on the classics, along with Greek, Latin and other esoteric topics. These days, I doubt 1 in 10,000 could understand or even be familiar with a quote in Latin (even Catholics, since it was dropped from the Mass), or a quote from say Bacon or Franklin. Personally, I have augmented by education with reading (voraciously) on a wide variety of subjects. So a proper education is an on-going one.

Feb 22, 2024 - 5:36:35 AM

8551 posts since 9/5/2006

outside of education for me it was a saying my great grandpa used when i would go somewhere with him,,, he would tell me you better show your proppers when you go in there ,,,ya hear me ? it meant manners in his case i guess.

Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 02/22/2024 05:37:16

Feb 22, 2024 - 6:44:13 AM

79585 posts since 5/9/2007

A proper education for me was
Working on my folks' boats from the age of 10
Getting a diploma in Auto Tech from SMVTI for a complete understanding of the mechanicals on a workboat
Playing the banjo just about every day of my life since 1960.
As far as learning how to fell trees and cut and mill logs and pulpwood I was self-taught with some good advice.

Feb 24, 2024 - 5:35:17 PM
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donc

Canada

7420 posts since 2/9/2010

Education has traditionally been provided by a society who wanted people with certain skills. The early universities were developed by the church so that their clergymen could read and understand the bible. The 20th century universities provided the business world with people who could adjust and learn middle management skills. Middle management as we know it is a dwindling segment. I'm much in favor of subsidizing secondary education. That would included pre-apprenticeship training and maybe two years of academic college. I believe that university fees should be there for the 'A' students who will excel and provide a vital service for society. In this area we have sucked in too many young people to believe that they need an extravagant loan to learn unmarketable skills.

Edited by - donc on 02/24/2024 17:36:50

Feb 24, 2024 - 7:28:03 PM
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rcc56

USA

5057 posts since 2/20/2016

A grinder is what they call a submarine sandwich in southern New England.
In the suburbs above NYC, they call it a wedge.
Across the river in New Jersey, they call it a sub.
Hoagie, hero, torpedo, I'm sure there's more names, but that's all I can think of right now.

In this part of the country, I've seen folks order a meatball sub with mayo and lettuce. Sacrilege.
But meatball subs have only been here for a couple of generations, so I suppose I must forgive them.

A roast beef, salami, pastrami, Italian, or ham grinder must always have lettuce and tomato. Some of us prefer oil and vinegar, or Heinz spicy brown mustard to mayo.

 Cappicola and proscuitto like olive oil and maybe a little red wine vinegar

If a sausage and peppers wedge doesn't fall apart when you pick it up to eat it, it ain't made right.

Then, if you're in Louisiana, the muffeleta likes olive salad.  A Po' Boy likes Crystal hot sauce.

Now I'm hungry.

Feb 25, 2024 - 1:39:13 AM

40847 posts since 3/5/2008

quote:
Originally posted by rcc56

A grinder is what they call a submarine sandwich in southern New England.
In the suburbs above NYC, they call it a wedge.
Across the river in New Jersey, they call it a sub.
Hoagie, hero, torpedo, I'm sure there's more names, but that's all I can think of right now.

In this part of the country, I've seen folks order a meatball sub with mayo and lettuce. Sacrilege.
But meatball subs have only been here for a couple of generations, so I suppose I must forgive them.

A roast beef, salami, pastrami, Italian, or ham grinder must always have lettuce and tomato. Some of us prefer oil and vinegar, or Heinz spicy brown mustard to mayo.

 Cappicola and proscuitto like olive oil and maybe a little red wine vinegar

If a sausage and peppers wedge doesn't fall apart when you pick it up to eat it, it ain't made right.

Then, if you're in Louisiana, the muffeleta likes olive salad.  A Po' Boy likes Crystal hot sauce.

Now I'm hungry.


Yep...

Feb 25, 2024 - 4:15:19 AM

40847 posts since 3/5/2008

quote:
Originally posted by rcc56

A grinder is what they call a submarine sandwich in southern New England.
In the suburbs above NYC, they call it a wedge.
Across the river in New Jersey, they call it a sub.
Hoagie, hero, torpedo, I'm sure there's more names, but that's all I can think of right now.

In this part of the country, I've seen folks order a meatball sub with mayo and lettuce. Sacrilege.
But meatball subs have only been here for a couple of generations, so I suppose I must forgive them.

A roast beef, salami, pastrami, Italian, or ham grinder must always have lettuce and tomato. Some of us prefer oil and vinegar, or Heinz spicy brown mustard to mayo.

 Cappicola and proscuitto like olive oil and maybe a little red wine vinegar

If a sausage and peppers wedge doesn't fall apart when you pick it up to eat it, it ain't made right.

Then, if you're in Louisiana, the muffeleta likes olive salad.  A Po' Boy likes Crystal hot sauce.

Now I'm hungry.


N...

Now we are all a little bit ..smarter.. thanks Bob..

For this bit of..

Education... ;0)

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