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Dec 10, 2023 - 7:50:24 AM
642 posts since 1/19/2006

Hi folks,
Any thoughts on what happened here? This is a 2009 Gibson neck. My uninformed guess was a fingerprint or some other oil on the neck before stain was applied


 

Dec 10, 2023 - 8:21:14 AM
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2342 posts since 2/9/2007

The location suggests to me that the player's thumb wore through the original finish and stain there, and somebody oversprayed the neck without bothering to touch up the color on that worn spot.

Edited by - Dan Gellert on 12/10/2023 08:22:04

Dec 10, 2023 - 8:24:38 AM
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15585 posts since 10/30/2008

I have a post 1987 Gibson that shows that same WEAR pattern. It's not a finish blemish. That particular lacquer and stain combination is fairly "soft" I guess, and wear away easily with lots of playing. Not all my post 87 Gibsons suffer from this however. Just mark it down to "character".

Dec 10, 2023 - 8:25:58 AM

NWBanjo

USA

642 posts since 1/19/2006

Thank you. I don’t mind marks from use, but do mind overspray on a banjo described as "all original"

Edited by - NWBanjo on 12/10/2023 08:27:07

Dec 10, 2023 - 8:40 AM

2342 posts since 2/9/2007

It could be just a spot refinish. Light it and/or look at it from varying angles, and you should be able to see if that's the case.

Dec 10, 2023 - 8:46:09 AM

NWBanjo

USA

642 posts since 1/19/2006

Ok I’ll do that. Thanks Dan

Dec 10, 2023 - 9:52:50 AM
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2878 posts since 9/18/2010

It may not be overspray at all. It could be that the wood was sealed with a rather thick layer of sealer before the color coats were applied, and the color has worn through into the sealer.

Dec 10, 2023 - 10:09:11 AM
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heavy5

USA

2922 posts since 11/3/2016

Quick fix , a brown magic marker which immediately after applying u can rub it w/ a finger to vary the light or dark . If u don't like it u can always get rid of your efforts w/ a little rubbing compound ---- back to the light spot .
No one is going to see this , I'd just leave it there .

Dec 10, 2023 - 10:29:02 AM
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leehar

USA

303 posts since 2/18/2018

My old Harmony ResoTone developed a worn spot in the finish EXACTLY like that in the same spot. It’s just wear from the base of your thumb when playing in the first position. Trying to hide it would probably only make it look worse.

Dec 10, 2023 - 10:47:21 AM
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14812 posts since 6/2/2008

John Hamlett (Sunburst) is exactly right. Gibson generally does not stain or dye the wood. Rather, in a process I believe is called "toning," they seal the wood (probably with a high solids nitro sealer) then spray colored nitro lacquer, which is top-coated in clear.

Applying color over a clear sealer produces a much more even result, not subject to different areas of the wood absorbing dye or stain at different rates. 

So what has happened here is the player's thumb spent so much time in the same spot, it wore through the clear and toned lacquer to expose the untinted sealer.

This is extremely difficult to repair. Granted, I'm an amateur, so my failed attempt doesn't mean it can't be done, but I was advised by an experienced luthier to expect poor results. And that's exactly what I got!

Dec 10, 2023 - 11:22:55 AM

3006 posts since 4/16/2003

Looks like a "thumb print" to me.

Could a previous owner have been using an insect repellent that destroys finish like "Deet", and not cleaned his hands enough before playing?

Dec 10, 2023 - 12:45:58 PM
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NWBanjo

USA

642 posts since 1/19/2006

Thanks y’all, this is very helpful. I’m not interested in a repair, just curious how it happened, as the neck doesn’t seem to be refinished, but the mark seems to be under a clear coat and I doubt it left the factory like that. Old Hickory’s assessment checks out with what I’m able to see

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