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Dec 4, 2023 - 2:45:38 PM
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I enjoy college ball but this article has me fuming.

thespun.com/college-football/t..._ARmQeXqw

Now please correct me if I am wrong but I thought it was a team sport? What does it say about a team that went undefeated with a second string QB guiding the team in the last two games?
Sorry all you ‘bama fans but your 12-1 season may have been good enough but 13-0 is still better no matter who the QB may be.
Oops left out bama's and Florida's championship games

Edited by - 5B-Ranch on 12/04/2023 14:49:54

Dec 4, 2023 - 3:14:04 PM
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Your point is well taken.  The whole thing seems strange and then I read this article.  I agree with the author's point, there is no measurable criteria and therefore it is an invitational tournament, not a playoff.

Dec 4, 2023 - 3:16:21 PM
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Every year it means less and less to me. College football has totally degenerated into an absolute s***show.

Dec 4, 2023 - 7:51:57 PM
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Here is the hypocrisy and the SEC bias. The dynamic FSU quarterback, Jordan Travis, was injured and was known that he would not return this year, three weeks ago. The committee knew he wasn’t returning yet still voted FSU in the top four the following two weeks. So two weeks after voting them in the top 4, they now decide having a key player injured, should knock them out of the playoffs.

Dec 4, 2023 - 11:07:19 PM
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Originally posted by BanjoLink

Here is the hypocrisy and the SEC bias. The dynamic FSU quarterback, Jordan Travis, was injured and was known that he would not return this year, three weeks ago. The committee knew he wasn’t returning yet still voted FSU in the top four the following two weeks. So two weeks after voting them in the top 4, they now decide having a key player injured, should knock them out of the playoffs.


Kind of puts that old "there's no I in team" saying to bed if we were to take the selection committee's train of thought. As I said before I thought football was a team sport? I guess with Alabama's fan base it will bring more cha-ching into the NCAA bank account. We went from Four unbeatens to three. To be clear I'm a SEC guy LSU and when they play good ball Arkansas. Next year will be the year a true champion will be crowned. 

Dec 5, 2023 - 5:12:05 AM
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BobbyE

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3441 posts since 11/29/2007

I am an Alabama fan and there is nothing wrong with that or me, and yes I am glad Alabama got in, just as FSU would be glad if the roles had been reversed. The problem is with the committee and the design of the playoffs in that you have five conferences but only four playoff teams. It is surprising that what happened this year, hasn't happened before. All they had to do when the playoff system was first implemented was to have five playoff teams, (the champion of each conference), with the number one team earning a bye for the first game. In case of identical records, you could use the criteria of head-to-head wins, strength of schedule, or point differential over the season. But they didn't and it all hit the fan this year. I've heard all the arguments from both sides and both sides have legitimate points. But it is not the Alabama football team's nor their fans who made this decision. And even with the 12-team expansion coming into play next year I bet the #13 team is going to feel slighted.

Bobby

Dec 5, 2023 - 6:51:46 AM
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Originally posted by BobbyE

I am an Alabama fan and there is nothing wrong with that or me, and yes I am glad Alabama got in, just as FSU would be glad if the roles had been reversed. The problem is with the committee and the design of the playoffs in that you have five conferences but only four playoff teams. It is surprising that what happened this year, hasn't happened before. All they had to do when the playoff system was first implemented was to have five playoff teams, (the champion of each conference), with the number one team earning a bye for the first game. In case of identical records, you could use the criteria of head-to-head wins, strength of schedule, or point differential over the season. But they didn't and it all hit the fan this year. I've heard all the arguments from both sides and both sides have legitimate points. But it is not the Alabama football team's nor their fans who made this decision. And even with the 12-team expansion coming into play next year I bet the #13 team is going to feel slighted.

Bobby


I pretty much agree with you Bobby.  I don't have a dog in this fight, but I am an avid college football fan and watch a lot of games.  After seeing Bama pull out a game at the end against a pathetic Auburn team with only a .01% chance, barely getting by Arkansas, who was not very good, and struggling against a South Florida team, it was hard for me to see them as one of the top 4 teams in the country.  Yes, they beat Georgia, but quite frankly, Georgia wasn't all that good and their first 8 games or more were against cupcakes ..... even Tennessee and Kentucky turned out to be mediocre.

I don't blame Alabama, but rather the committee whom I think failed in their job ...... even more probably the committee guide lines more than the individuals.

Edited by - BanjoLink on 12/05/2023 06:52:05

Dec 5, 2023 - 7:43:44 AM
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rinemb

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16069 posts since 5/24/2005

My dog did not make it into the fight. That said, I think several schools got the shaft!
I guess it is a good reason to expand the number of teams in a playoff. For years the hosts of our local sports talk on radio, made the case that the selection committee, did a good job of getting 4 best teams into the playoff. Their tune is changing...

Brad

Dec 5, 2023 - 7:49:55 AM
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Originally posted by rinemb

My dog did not make it into the fight. That said, I think several schools got the shaft!
I guess it is a good reason to expand the number of teams in a playoff. For years the hosts of our local sports talk on radio, made the case that the selection committee, did a good job of getting 4 best teams into the playoff. Their tune is changing...

Brad


Brad, I believe Bobby is correct though when he says with a 12 team play-off, the 13th ranked team will be screaming that they got the shaft!  I have said all along that regardless of how many teams are in the play-offs, the only critical factor is that they make sure the top two are in.  With 12 teams, I doubt that more than four or five teams are capable of winning it all!

Dec 5, 2023 - 8:28 AM

BobbyE

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3441 posts since 11/29/2007

>>With 12 teams, I doubt that more than four or five teams are capable of winning it all!<<

Interesting point and so right. If a lot of these early games wind up being routs consistently and no one much watches them will they trim it back down? How many extra games will have to be played? Will players with possible huge NFL signing bonuses want to run the risk of injury playing in those extra games? The question is not is the twelve team play off the answer, the question is, is it the right answer.

Bobby

Dec 5, 2023 - 8:34:15 AM
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rinemb

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16069 posts since 5/24/2005

I do think 12 is too many. how about 6 teams in 2 brackets of 3 teams. in each bracket the 1-seed gets a by week, teams 2 & 3 play, the winner plays the 1-seed, then winner of each bracket play for championship??? Brad

Dec 5, 2023 - 8:57:04 AM
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Originally posted by BobbyE

>>With 12 teams, I doubt that more than four or five teams are capable of winning it all!<<

Interesting point and so right. If a lot of these early games wind up being routs consistently and no one much watches them will they trim it back down? How many extra games will have to be played? Will players with possible huge NFL signing bonuses want to run the risk of injury playing in those extra games? The question is not is the twelve team play off the answer, the question is, is it the right answer.

Bobby


I agree with you and Brad.  In a 123 team play-off one of the lesser teams may have a great game and knock off a higher seed, but I doubt that a12 seed, for instance, is going to knock off the #1 seed, and then come back the next week and knock off a higher seeded team ...... maybe, but not likely.  With six team, the five Power 5 conference champions would get in and one "at large" team from the Group of Five, or with an 8 team play-off, all five Power 5 champions and 3 "at large" teams.  I think there are going to be some unseen consequences with the 12 team format.

PS:  Will the "Pac Two" still be a Power 5 conference?

Edited by - BanjoLink on 12/05/2023 08:58:10

Dec 5, 2023 - 9:44:22 AM

6873 posts since 10/13/2007

This is the line in the article that made me laugh: "If Florida State was playing in the SEC, 13-0 with an injured starting quarterback, would they have been left out of the College Football Playoff."
IMO, if FSU was in the SEC this year they sure would not be 13-0.
2nd answer, no don't leave the ACC. It got you close to being in this year and if FSU QB was not injured maybe they would not have limped home 16-6 against Louisville.
The best teams should be in there. Good job committee. (tough job).
Next year is 12 team playoff.
The other thing that seems funny to my is thy hypocracy of the NCAA. For years they preached on having a level playing field and on being amateur. They said having a football playoff would put too much strain on the student athlete: academically and physically. So funny and so sad how $ changes logic and principals.

Dec 5, 2023 - 9:51:33 AM

568 posts since 4/11/2019

I would like to see the whole division get trimmed down so that there are more competitive games.

There is little left to the imagination about the outcome when Big Powerhouse School plays Local Votec Prep and the spread is 60 points. It's not good for TV ratings, the gambling odds are ridiculous, and a game like that doesn't display how good a team "actually" is.

Throw four or five matchups like that into everyone's schedule and you get what we have now - undefeated teams with billion dollar budgets crushing the little schools most of the time. Sometimes you get a few even matchups, but it seems lately there are less and less of those.

I would rather see my favorite team have 12 really exciting games against big name opponents - even if they end up finishing at 0.500 for the season.

A smaller "top tier" division of maybe 25 to 40 teams would make for better competition, more watchable games, and more clarity as to the quality of the teams.

And to make it more interesting year over year, add in the "relegation" feature found in European football (soccer) leagues.

Dec 5, 2023 - 10:21:01 AM

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Originally posted by Knows Picker

I would like to see the whole division get trimmed down so that there are more competitive games.

There is little left to the imagination about the outcome when Big Powerhouse School plays Local Votec Prep and the spread is 60 points. It's not good for TV ratings, the gambling odds are ridiculous, and a game like that doesn't display how good a team "actually" is.

Throw four or five matchups like that into everyone's schedule and you get what we have now - undefeated teams with billion dollar budgets crushing the little schools most of the time. Sometimes you get a few even matchups, but it seems lately there are less and less of those.

I would rather see my favorite team have 12 really exciting games against big name opponents - even if they end up finishing at 0.500 for the season.

A smaller "top tier" division of maybe 25 to 40 teams would make for better competition, more watchable games, and more clarity as to the quality of the teams.

And to make it more interesting year over year, add in the "relegation" feature found in European football (soccer) leagues.


The smaller teams need the big money they get paid as a guarantee to take a thumping frome the big schools.

Dec 5, 2023 - 10:26:45 AM

568 posts since 4/11/2019

Undoubtedly.

Dec 5, 2023 - 11:36:38 AM
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Originally posted by 5B-Ranch
Next year will be the year a true champion will be crowned. 

Well, the only improvement with the 12-team lineup is it assures all 5, 6 or even 7 teams that could have qualified for the current 4-team playoff will be included.

I agree with others who have already said the new 12-team tournament will have some 2- and possibly 3-loss teams filling out the bottom slots who have no business playing post-season for a national title. I think they should have stopped the expansion at 8. Every Power 5 conference champion with three wildcards of conference runners-up or Group of 5 or Notre Dame. Sure, someone good will be left out -- but not a highly likely champion.

It's like the too-big 68-team NCAA basketball tournament. Sure, it makes great TV and history when a 16 seed knocks of a 1.  It's happened twice. And both times, the 16 seed lost in the next round, both times to a 9 seed -- because they really had no business playing in a championship tournament.

Edited by - Old Hickory on 12/05/2023 11:37:35

Dec 5, 2023 - 5:53:49 PM

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Originally posted by From Greylock to Bean Blossom

This is the line in the article that made me laugh: "If Florida State was playing in the SEC, 13-0 with an injured starting quarterback, would they have been left out of the College Football Playoff."
IMO, if FSU was in the SEC this year they sure would not be 13-0. That's a pretty good point, except, you know the ACC had a winning record this year against the SEC ........... and that included some upsets, like Kentucky over Louisville.  Go back and look at Georgia's schedule and you can pretty much bet that FSU would have run the table playing those teams.
2nd answer, no don't leave the ACC. It got you close to being in this year and if FSU QB was not injured maybe they would not have limped home 16-6 against Louisville.
The best teams should be in there. Good job committee. (tough job).
Next year is 12 team playoff.
The other thing that seems funny to my is thy hypocracy of the NCAA. For years they preached on having a level playing field and on being amateur. They said having a football playoff would put too much strain on the student athlete: academically and physically. So funny and so sad how $ changes logic and principals. The NCAA is good for only one thing .......running the March Madness NCAA Basketball Tournament.  That is also their cash cow.  I predict that it will not be much longer that the NCAA does not run Power 5 football.  They are really pretty much a joke.


Dec 6, 2023 - 5:02:06 AM

1527 posts since 11/10/2022

At least these college "students" are finally starting to get paid. Hopefully the playoff teams pay bonuses to their players soon. College athletes are professionally recruited, professionally trained and college athletics will soon recognize them as the professionals they are. Then we will have a pro football system to watch where a given player has two or three years to win the better super bowl over 100s of teams. Exciting times ahead!

Dec 6, 2023 - 5:54:23 AM
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I think it should be a 16 team tournament. That way there is no byes, and it would take 4 weeks for the big game. Start before Christmas and on Newyear's day play four established bowl games with first round winners. those 4 bowl games would have a huge meaning. Then semifinal and championship games following in next two weeks. College championship games would not interfere with the NFL, possibly play them on Friday before the playoffs.

GO NORTE DAME

Rich

Dec 6, 2023 - 6:17:18 AM
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I think it should be a 16 team tournament. That way there is no byes, and it would take 4 weeks for the big game. Start before Christmas and on Newyear's day play four established bowl games with first round winners. those 4 bowl games would have a huge meaning. Then semifinal and championship games following in next two weeks. College championship games would not interfere with the NFL, possibly play them on Friday before the playoffs.

GO NORTE DAME

Rich


I've always thought 8 was the right number.  It's hard to argue a case for being a national champion contender if you can't break into the top 8.  But with 12 or 16 teams either way the path to a championship is 4 post season games for 8 of the teams in a 12 team playoff or all 16 teams. 

They used injury to a justify excluding FSU.  What about all those players who elect to sit it out so they don't screw up their spot on the draft board? 

Kinda unrelated to the playoff picture but I'm looking at the Buckeyes going to the Cotton Bowl.  Our QB is already transeferring out I doubt Marvin Harrison will be there.  Boy I can't wait! 

Dec 6, 2023 - 6:44:36 AM

6873 posts since 10/13/2007

2 questions:

1. Will the new large college football playoff become more popular than the NCAA basketball tournament?

2. Will it become more popular than the NFL playoff?

I don't know, but it might become the biggest sports event we have and the NCAA may grow bigger and richer than an atomic mushroom?

Dec 6, 2023 - 8:18:33 AM
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2 questions:

1. Will the new large college football playoff become more popular than the NCAA basketball tournament?

Ken, I don't know how they will measure popularity, since the basketball tournament has so many games over an fairly long period of time.  There is no question how popular March Madness is, but I suspect that the CFP games will be  heavily watched.

2. Will it become more popular than the NFL playoff?

If you eliminated the super bowl, which is a world wide event, the college play-off's might be more popular.  So many people that watch the Super Bowl are not necessarily football fans, but watch because it is a huge "event".


I don't know, but it might become the biggest sports event we have and the NCAA may grow bigger and richer than an atomic mushroom?

It's not the NCAA that is becoming bigger and richer.  If anything they are becoming less and less wealthy (except for March Madness) as they lose their grip on D-1 college football.  The NCAA does not run the College Football Playoff.  It is a separate entity and the bulk of the money goes back to the conferences and schools that participate.


Dec 6, 2023 - 9:39:47 AM
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Here is a sickening article:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/playoff-composition-revenue-sharing-ncaa-influence-up-for-grabs-as-college-footballs-power-structure-shifts/

Among other things it says that the playoff payoff: " Early estimates have put the value of the new CFP deal upwards of $2 billion annually. That would be 2.7 times more revenue that what is currently produced per season ($720 million). "

How do you tell which playoff is the biggest? maybe by which on generates the most wagering. We are in for a very dirty time. How much money will these kids to shave points or throw games? There is a LOT of $ at stake and they will be approached.

Dec 6, 2023 - 10:11:37 AM
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Tongue-in-cheek, I think all play-off spots should be by fan vote.   https://www.si.com/nhl/2016/01/19/john-scott-nhl-all-star-game-fan-vote-trade-explainer

John, I don't pay mucho attention, so dint know the CFP wasn't under the auspices of the NCAA. Thanks.

Dec 6, 2023 - 10:28:07 AM
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Here is an article in the Bloomington Indiana paper today. Bloomington is home to Indiana university. This first quote is by a kid that just put his name in the transfer portal:
""The chance to pursue both my academic and athletic ambitions at Indiana University has been an incredible experience that I deeply appreciate, however, after careful consideration I've decided to enter my name in the transfer portal with two years left of eligibility to explore new opportunities for growth and development, both on and off the field," Lucas posted on X. "I'm immensely thankful for the time, guidance, and opportunities provided by Indiana University and will be forever cherish the memories made here.""

I take the highlighted print to mean: to get the most money he can.

Here is what is coach said later in the article. (ps Coach Allen: a man of great integrity who was just fired):   "

Former Indiana coach Tom Allen told reporters at the time that the first thing he did after the 2022 season was to visit with Lucas and his parents in Hourna, Louisana to re-recruit him.

"I never said have you gotten an offer from somebody else, I knew he did," Allen said, on Thursday. "I was born at night, but not last night. That's exactly what happened."

 

So he has to re-recruit a kid. Great loyalty. And he did not even ask the kids if some fellow coach cheated and tried to recruit him from IU because he knew it happened.

Yeah a great part of the educational run by lying cheating coaches and played by selfish, no loyalty, jump the ship players.

Thank you college presidents.

ken

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