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Nov 3, 2023 - 10:44:33 AM
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Rob MacKillop

Scotland

3296 posts since 9/2/2008

I take large chunks of time away from here as I explore other instruments and other facets of life, but I used to come back here to find a lot of discussion going on, and apart from the occasional bust-up, most of the time was spent enlightening and supporting one another. Maybe it's just going through a quiet time for a few weeks. I hope it is not in irreversible decline?

Nov 3, 2023 - 12:21:32 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

27869 posts since 6/25/2005

I’ve noticed that too. Traffic on BHO seems way down in the past few months. I don’t know why.

Nov 3, 2023 - 1:04:53 PM

24 posts since 1/18/2023

Its been really slow on here lately. I miss the banjo chit chat! You guys are awesome.

Nov 3, 2023 - 2:59:44 PM
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Rob MacKillop

Scotland

3296 posts since 9/2/2008

A successful Forum or in this case Sub Forum requires a fairly wide base, and a willingness for a good percentage of members to make an effort to encourage participation. Maybe it has been around too long, losing some voluble members without enough new members joining in. Maybe all the main topics return too often. Of course, there are external reasons too: the fascination with the online world is waning, people are generally tired of almost everything.

It would be a pity if this sub forum petered out. It’s up to everyone who reads this thread to do something about it.

Edited by - Rob MacKillop on 11/03/2023 15:01:44

Nov 3, 2023 - 3:07:40 PM

1633 posts since 11/10/2022
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Maybe its time to move the hangout to VR....

Ive found the bho to be almost too much inowledge. Almost any banjo topic or question I have I find by searching. I stopped asking once I found the massive archives...and Im a relative newbie here.

Nov 3, 2023 - 3:29:25 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

27869 posts since 6/25/2005

The archives search is inconsistent and hard to focus. General internet searches often come to BHO anyway. Banjo-post are dwarfed by off-topic and always have been. Where we’re headed, there’s no telling.

Nov 3, 2023 - 3:30:52 PM
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61888 posts since 12/14/2005

I'm here almost every day.
However, I have become either famous or infamous for postings that are almost entirely unrelated to the topic at hand.

Nov 3, 2023 - 5:03:48 PM
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Rob MacKillop

Scotland

3296 posts since 9/2/2008

Ha, Mike, I confess that would put you in my Infamous camp! Nothing personal, you understand, old chap. I find it tiresome when some folk dissipate a good topic with irrelevances. Clearly your mileage varies. I think that’s what made me leave here before. But I wouldn’t want everyone to be like me!

We had some really knowledgeable people (Eddy Davis, Polle, BanjoPa, Compass56, and a good few others) who have either died or just got tired and moved on. Maybe the base isn’t big enough to replace them.

A case in point is the guy who made his first post here a few weeks back, with a video of playing well as an advanced student. Remember how nervous you were when sharing your first post and/or video? Perhaps you are working up to that. Well, the guy got zero comments, no encouragement, no supportive comments. Yet, start a post like this one, and lots of people chime in.

So, I think we should start looking out for each other more, help out those who are struggling, and hopefully with a more positive attitude beginners might not be so scared to say hello and chime in more often.

Nov 3, 2023 - 6:57:37 PM
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524 posts since 10/8/2018

Thanks for the pep talk, Rob.

This place kind of waxes and wanes.

Right now we seem to be in a slump.

So hold my beer!

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Hey, everybody!

Post something cool immediately!

Sincerely,

Will Wilson

Nov 3, 2023 - 11:59:04 PM
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stevo58

Germany

88 posts since 12/29/2012

Speaking for myself, as a relatively recent convert to this instrument, I was blindsided here by a vicious ad hominem attack by a better-known member a few months ago. Killed any desire whatsoever to participate in any way. He was banned (not necessarily because of his attack on me, as he is generally arrogant, aggressive, and unpleasant), but is now back. The community was otherwise silent on his actions, which indicates support. I won’t be surprised if he appears here and tells me to man up and stop whining. In any case, other than this post, I’m back to reading the topics and moving on.

Edited by - stevo58 on 11/03/2023 23:59:26

Nov 4, 2023 - 12:36:03 AM
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Rob MacKillop

Scotland

3296 posts since 9/2/2008

“Post something cool immediately” - Good shout, Will smiley

Steve, I've been away for some time, so don't know who you are talking about, but doubtless he will announce himself in good time. "There's always one", as the saying goes. No one owns this sub forum, and shouldn't be allowed to act like they do. That's what Moderators are for, but somehow these guys get through. Don't be afraid to complain about a disruptive, rude or abusive member. If he's diminishing your enjoyment here, then he will be similarly affecting others too. A Moderator will have a word with him, and the complainant will never be mentioned. 

People come here to enthuse, learn, maybe inform, or just hang out - all good reasons - and a touch of humour helps smooth over any abrasions. But we are human beings, which means there's always a jackass or two in the pack, blowhards with poor social skills. They are tiresome, but don't assume "community silence indicates support". People can be too scared to raise their head above the parapet, or simply just don't return. Perhaps a Moderator reading this might put some thought into supporting the silent majority. 

In other words, in the immortal words of Will Wilson above, "Post something cool immediately"! 

Nov 4, 2023 - 4:37:06 AM
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313 posts since 6/20/2020

quote:
Originally posted by Rob MacKillop

I take large chunks of time away from here as I explore other instruments and other facets of life, but I used to come back here to find a lot of discussion going on, and apart from the occasional bust-up, most of the time was spent enlightening and supporting one another. Maybe it's just going through a quiet time for a few weeks. I hope it is not in irreversible decline?


Hi Rob, as I optimistically see it, similar to our fellow creatures relationship with modern chemicals, the banjo has developed natural immunity to the harmful in the environment. It can and does now resist and exist quite happily in fields indiscriminately sprayed with unthinking accusations of irreversible decline. As you know I also play a 7-string banjo. Blimey O Riley...how much more evidence of natural resistance do you want? laugh

I think we're here and emerge buzzing into the sunlight when a topic interests and inspires us.

I think it is a shame that the other styles sections do tend to have tumbleweeds blowing through. But collectors corner is usually active and informative. i don't do facebook partly for privacy reasons, but mainly because the quality and depth of discussion is not up to much. 

Edited by - Pomeroy on 11/04/2023 04:52:52

Nov 4, 2023 - 8:58:31 AM

Rob MacKillop

Scotland

3296 posts since 9/2/2008

Hi Pom. Yes, I’m just thinking of this jazz, etc, subset.

Nov 4, 2023 - 11:20:29 AM
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82 posts since 9/2/2021

I sure hope this forum stays active. It has been a valuable resource in my banjo learning journey. I’m on about everyday and have learned a bunch from all the expertise here!

Nov 4, 2023 - 5:05:55 PM
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61888 posts since 12/14/2005

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Originally posted by guitarbanjoman

Thanks for the pep talk, Rob.

This place kind of waxes and wanes.

Right now we seem to be in a slump.

So hold my beer!

######

Hey, everybody!

Post something cool immediately!

Sincerely,

Will Wilson


I was minding my own business, and some lady had a "Diabetic episode", drove over the curb,  across my lawn, and smashed into the right side sliding door on my otherwise UNSCRATCHED 1999 Toyota van.

It's cool that, because I was parked on my own property,  her insurance company has to pay for it.


Nov 5, 2023 - 12:53:59 AM

Rob MacKillop

Scotland

3296 posts since 9/2/2008

This , Mike, is exactly what you find witty and humorous, but which I find boring, tiresome and irrelevant, and one of the reasons I don’t come here often. I also think it is deliberately placed to disrupt. Do you even play jazz tenor?

But if everyone else thinks it cool, witty and relevant, then I’ll bow out and leave you all to it.

Nov 5, 2023 - 2:21:49 AM
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61888 posts since 12/14/2005

My sincere apologies!
I was under the impression that the topic was about a general decline in activity on the entire HangOut.
Did not notice that it was specific to jazz tenor players.

No, I do not play jazz tenor.
But I am in AWE of anybody who knows enough about music to play jazz.

Nov 5, 2023 - 2:30:32 AM

Rob MacKillop

Scotland

3296 posts since 9/2/2008

That’s ok, Mike. It is placed in the 4-string Jazz section. I wasn’t aware the whole Hangout is experiencing a similar drought. Too bad.

Nov 5, 2023 - 6:32:31 AM
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5197 posts since 4/7/2008

Hey, thanks for the shout out Rob. Lately, I’ve been a little too busy to post, but I have definitely been reading the posts here, and I’ve been digging them for sure. I’m still here in Birmingham doing gigs (mostly at weddings, parties, corporate events, and country clubs). I would say I do 80% of those gigs on my 17 fret open back Ome tenor banjo (CGDA tuning). 19% are on electric tenor guitar (CGDA tuning) or electric 6-string guitar (EADGBE tuning). The other 1% are done on either 8-string electric lap steel (A6 tuning) or 5-string banjo (Open G tuning). I’m so lucky to be doing what I love, and believe me I do not take my luck for granted. Anyway, I’m so happy to be posting here again, and I look forward to reading everyone’s posts and having my life enriched through the education and entertainment those posts provide.

Nov 5, 2023 - 6:44:28 AM

Rob MacKillop

Scotland

3296 posts since 9/2/2008

Tony, we have over 8,000 posts here between us - incredible. For sure we need a break every now and then, but we always come back. See you around.

Nov 5, 2023 - 6:46:06 AM

Rob MacKillop

Scotland

3296 posts since 9/2/2008

PS We are both Ome Buddies now!

Edited by - Rob MacKillop on 11/05/2023 06:46:21

Nov 5, 2023 - 7:39:44 AM

5197 posts since 4/7/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Rob MacKillop

PS We are both Ome Buddies now!


Hey that's great. I truly love my Ome banjo.  I will not own another tenor banjo unless this one is stolen or destroyed.  Rob, do you mind telling us about you banjo? What is it?  How and when did you acquire it?

Nov 5, 2023 - 8:12:03 AM

Rob MacKillop

Scotland

3296 posts since 9/2/2008

Well, there is a post about it here: https://www.banjohangout.org/topic/393639 

...but basically I was thinking about another Deering Eagle II Tenor which I had before and liked, so I had a look at Kevin Scott's place: https://www.findajo.co.uk 

and he had £700 discount on an Ome Mogul, bringing it down to £2,000. Not having played an Ome before, it seemed like a gamble, so I started that thread to find out about them. 
Kevin gave me 48 hrs to make my mind up, but I knew within seconds that was a great banjo. Very happy with it! 

Edited by - Rob MacKillop on 11/05/2023 08:27:11

Nov 5, 2023 - 8:39:07 AM
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462 posts since 7/24/2021

Wait a minute! This is for 4 string ? I didnt pay attention. It’s been a fun read anyway. Mike Gregory, way to stay true . I hate your van got dented.

Nov 6, 2023 - 1:16:16 PM
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6015 posts since 3/6/2006

quote:
Originally posted by stevo58

Speaking for myself, as a relatively recent convert to this instrument, I was blindsided here by a vicious ad hominem attack by a better-known member a few months ago. Killed any desire whatsoever to participate in any way. He was banned (not necessarily because of his attack on me, as he is generally arrogant, aggressive, and unpleasant), but is now back. The community was otherwise silent on his actions, which indicates support. I won’t be surprised if he appears here and tells me to man up and stop whining. In any case, other than this post, I’m back to reading the topics and moving on.


Most of us know who that abrasive person was. I'm sorry you were on the receiving end. The dubious upside was that he generated a lot of discussion. At a price!

Nov 8, 2023 - 7:04:41 PM
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Lew H

USA

2937 posts since 3/10/2008

If there is a lasting general decline in posts here for diverse forums and not simply a short run drop, I have to suspect that banjo groups on FaceBook might be the source. I don't know how many there are for I have focused only on the clawhammer groups. There are many posts of tunes, questions from learners, notices of events, camps, lessons, etc. I don't think they really compare with the depth of knowledge found on BHO, but are on a site that new pickers are more likely to bump into.

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