I’m not a denier, but thought I’d throw this out for scrutiny
tvpworld.com/72452350/no-bodie...s-victims

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Originally posted by chuckv97

I’m not a denier, but thought I’d throw this out for scrutiny
tvpworld.com/72452350/no-bodie...s-victims

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I clicked on your link and got a warning.

Meanwhile, here are other links:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49884387  Canada reveals names of 2,800 victims of residential schools (2019)

https://abcnews.go.com/International/215-bodies-discovered-residential-school-indigenous-children-canada/story?id=77979045  215 bodies discovered at former residential school for Indigenous children in Canada

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57592243  Canada: 751 unmarked graves found at residential school

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57311501  Canada-wide search urged as children's remains found

Facts matter.

Paul, I’m not doubting the abuse & horror,, just can’t understand why no exhumations have been done yet other than an initial one at Pine Creek in Manitoba. It being such a big international story and all. 
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251871/no-remains-unearthed-yet-from-canada-residential-school-grave-sites

I've got mine on!

I'm hoping for some clear indication from F.N. leadership [political and non-political alike] whether an eventual goal is equality or inequality.   I've heard some decry the inequality, but I've yet to hear anybody espouse equality as an objective.   My wife has a smidgen of Mic Mac blood in her [fwiw, she pooh-poohs "Mig Maw"], and though she hasn't said so, and though she has worn orange shirts 'way back,* I think I might have seen the last of that.

* = and, IMNSHumbleO, looked "awesome" to use popular jargon.  

Another news outlet… I know, I know,, it’s the National Post…
nationalpost.com/news/canada/f...ns-graves

Well, Chuck ... from the broken record dept: I think it's fairly common knowledge that our "news" (?) outlets/networks seem to be more interested in guiding our thinking [or lack of thinking?] than they are in reporting news.  Heck, I've even read where some know-it-all schmuck has put stuff on BHO threads about errors of omission/commission.   

I guess there's truth and then there's truth.   I suspect it's like one of the biggies we shant mention .... it'll come out in the wash ... 15ish years hence in that case, several times that timeframe in this one.   

There is one truth and a lot of other stuff claiming to be truth.They are not equals.
It's up to each and every one of us to do our job in recognizing the difference.

Due diligence.

My wife and daughter are status Cree, maternal side. My sister in law is status Haida (adopted as an infant). Their families were there when children were taken and sent to residential schools. They have family members who were interned at these so called schools. Its real, and children never came back. The Canadian govt has long lied to the public, kept secrets, and is still in full hide the truth mode. Residential schools were the Canadian equivalent of Nazi death camps.
The location of graves will never be fully resolved. Its enough that children were forced into these camps and died..from disease, starvation, abuse, murder. Trudeau, his father, all govt members are complicit and responsible because THEY KNEW....

Dave .... from your standpoint, what should be done*?   .... and should those things be done to promote equality or to promote inequality?

* = i.e. specific, real, concrete actions .... beyond the concepts (?) mentioned in the Call To Action.  eg. Telling our federal government "... to establish measurable goals ... ."

Fwiw, I'm not so sure Brian White or Inky Mark or Robert Sopuck, or ??? actually knew, or knows, a whole heck of a lot more than does Joe Blow.

Evil iggzists..

Wake up..

Lotta lies n coverups..out there imo..

we weren't allowed to discuss "Indian matters" in our local school except for the one story told to us by our principal of their ignorance and disrespect of their "Nice government housing".
The truth hurt too much to discuss.
Maine later did much better when real truth was honored.

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Originally posted by Owen

Dave .... from your standpoint, what should be done*?   .... and should those things be done to promote equality or to promote inequality?

* = i.e. specific, real, concrete actions .... beyond the concepts (?) mentioned in the Call To Action.  eg. Telling our federal government "... to establish measurable goals ... ."

Fwiw, I'm not so sure Brian White or Inky Mark or Robert Sopuck, or ??? actually knew, or knows, a whole heck of a lot more than does Joe Blow.

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Owen..Honestly I don't know. We are all at the whims and mercy of the Govt when it comes to the truth. They've been a part of this from day one when the RCMP were dispatched to remove native children from their homes. Every govt has been complicit in hiding the truth and history from the citizens of Canada since. No way anyone is really going to take responsibility for genocide.

Personally, I think the only real solution..if thats what you would call it..is an independant International tribunal that would investigate and hold those accountable that can be..kinda like the Hague?

Not from Canada, but I can certainly understand. In the US, the Reservation system was created to promote "safety and security" of native Americans. Yet, the government's real purpose was to create open prisons for native American peoples. Today, there is more alcoholism, unemployment and teen suicide on native reservations than anywhere else in America. Without college scholarships, it is nearly impossible for those on the reservations to ever leave and gain meaningful employment. And our Government does nothing. Good thing some have found the blessing of operating casinos for the mafia. It may be their only saving grace.
I'm not saying these schools in Canada were originally created with evil in mind, but it does bear thought. As a TN Vol, I have plenty of orange to wear on behalf of your cause, and will join you.

Thanks Dave.  Would you please elaborate a bit on "held accountable"?  Do you mean financially? ...or issuing personal apologies? ... or serving prison time? ... or something else altogether?

Would the tribunal you envision be a step toward an [eventual] goal of equality? ... or inequality?

Fwiw, I'm aware of the U.N.'s "involvement," and I know others see it differently, but for me, genocide = Beothuk.  My wife and I have had a few more brief discussions (?) .... apparently her "association" is closer than I'd figured.  Back a couple of generations her paternal grandmother's Mic Mac ancestors were hired to go from NS to Newfieland to kill Beothuks.  [I can't keep it straight whether they were hired by the British or the French, but the minuitae is sorta irrelevant* to both of us.]

* Kinda like comparing it Nazi death camps, does it really matter [other than to those with personal family involvement] whether the Nazis gassed 3 million Jews, or 5 million or 8 million, or ???  I look at our Canadian situation in the same light .... and figure that, with the exception of those making a conscious effort to not know,  "we" know enough detail to take corrective action.  For me the first step in that corrective action is to get a clear indication whether an eventual goal is equality or inequality ... but I'm having a dickens of a time finding anybody who'll even acknowledge that that could be a factor.  Do you figure I'm 'way out beyond left field?

Elmo, I figure the treaties in Canada were, in essence, "You guys get over on that patch of land so "we" can develop/exploit the rest of it."  [From what I've read the US governments were more amenable to ignoring the treaties and making reserve land available to others, but I could be wrong.]   W.r.t. treaties, the numbered treaties that cover most of the Canadian prairies have a clause, ".... do hereby cede, release, surrender and yield up to the Government of the Dominion of Canada, for Her Majesty the Queen, and Her successors forever, all their rights, titles and privileges whatsoever, to the lands included within ... etc." Personally I don't find much that's honourable in the treaties, but I find the range of people who spout, "Honour the treaties" quite interesting.  I often wonder [sometimes even aloud] how many of those that repeat the mantra have actually read a treaty.

I tip my toque to anybody who slogged through my drivel/tome/??. 

Interestingly/coincidentally/?? CBC Radio's Unreserved with Rosanna Deerchild was just on, mainly in the background.  However, a couple of snippets from her F.N. guests stuck out:  a) In Canada the current buzzword is  "reconciliation." and that for that guest "... that starts with personal relationships." and b) "The media sometimes puts the wrong spin on things."

I dunno whether personal relationships is the start, but IMNSHumbleO it sure as hello has to be in the mix.  Funny (?) thing is I've been saying something eerily similar since I saw it work when MB amalgamated into larger school divisions 1960ish.   ..... and again a decade or so later when a WASP [easy on the P, please], a guy of Ukrainian/Eskimo [his terminology at the time] heritage and a Metis guy were like the three musketeers ...  personal relationships = cruising/touring/carousing, playing ball/hockey, etc., etc.   So, now I guess a salient point would be just where/how those personal relationships come about .... your world or mine?

Fwiw, I'm glad Ms Deerchild's guest mentioned  "buzzword."    The way I see it is there's 'way too much buzzword / bandwagon / virtue signaling, [to get in another buzzword] / etc. in many peoples approach .... and that includes both/all "sides."

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Originally posted by Owen

Dave .... from your standpoint, what should be done*?   .... and should those things be done to promote equality or to promote inequality?

* = i.e. specific, real, concrete actions .... beyond the concepts (?) mentioned in the Call To Action.  eg. Telling our federal government "... to establish measurable goals ... ."

Fwiw, I'm not so sure Brian White or Inky Mark or Robert Sopuck, or ??? actually knew, or knows, a whole heck of a lot more than does Joe Blow.

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I don't know if it would work in Canada, but here in the U of S of A, when there is something terrible done to people, the usual response is to offer "thoughts and prayers", instead of doing anything measurable.

Maine has made strides.

Mike, in Canada we've measured things to the extent that had Elmo not told us the social indicators were w.r.t the USofA, we could have easily figured he was talking about Canada.

Steve, are the strides being made in Maine toward clearly identified/stated goals?

... and for an injection of humour [at least for me]: My sister's kids, two sons H______ and P______ and a daughter L____  are certifiable (?) Metis.   As a somewhat young-ish adult, my niece went whole hog for the "indigenous person" thingy.  Her older brother H_____ , a pretty witty dude in his own right, was moved to observe, "And what's with L____ ? ...... she's only been a born-again Indian for two years."  

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Originally posted by Owen

Mike, in Canada we've measured things to the extent that had Elmo not told us the social indicators were w.r.t the USofA, we could have easily figured he was talking about Canada.

Steve, are the strides being made in Maine toward clearly identified/stated goals?

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I don't get "clearly and identified/stated goals",Owen...As opposed to throwing whatever sticks to the wall?

I suppose Maine acts as it always has...with well thought-out solutions to problems with all of us at heart in its decisions...and because Maine is each and every one of us.

I suppose it's as opposed to "we're lost but we're making good time."

Steve, have you seen/read any public statement concerning  what the objective or goal or outcome is, or specify what is to be achieved by whatever action or initiative or change is being instituted or undertaken, in regards to it's relationship with its citizens of Am. Indian ancestry?   Or is an issue/area for improvement identified, a plan formulated and action taken without a goal having been established?  Or is it something in between?  ... or??

"Maine is each and every one of us" has me thinking there must be no "us/them" in Maine, only "we."  Although that's one of my utopian dreams, I expect that would be a pretty rare occurrence.

Fwiw, a big deal is being made in these parts about MB electing it's first F.N. premier yesterday. It suits me fine; I suspect it will be good for F.N. people [especially younger ones] to actually "see" it, though I suspect any changes to the lives of most Man-ee-toe-bahns [iffin we don't get our panties in a twist re. campaign promises] will be well into the future and very slow in their evolution.

Geez, I gotta start payin' more attention. Via CBC radio, I just tripped over the tidbit that our man Wab Kinew is Metis.  Fwiw, it still suits me just fine.  

Edit: I'm well aware of our constitution's definitions, though I'm not sure it's a productive distinction.

Owen, my SIL’s grandfather was part Métis,, which means indigenous blood has now infiltrated our noble Dutch extended family - oh the horror! You know,, we all remember reading about all those Dutch slave traders, Indonesian exploiters, and Hudson River traders that gave the Iroquois blunderbusses ….
(sarcasm font)

Yes, we all do remember that .... and a whole lot of other bad stuff.  (no sarcasm font)