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Opening day for Major League Baseball and this year there are changes in the rules to try to increase the fan interest. A couple right off the bat, no pun intended. Pitchers have 15 seconds to pitch if there are no runners on base, 20 seconds if there are runners on base. Batters have to be in the box with 8 seconds left on the clock. Also, infielders have to be on the dirt in the infield, or infield grass with two on either side of second base when the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. No shift until the ball is on the way. The bases are 18 inches wide instead of 15.
This should make baseball more like I remember when I went to Cardinals games when I was a kid, back in the day of Bob Gibson and Lou Brock.
Since I don't even like the designated hitter rule I'm having trouble with these changes, but we will see how it plays out.
I have a general idea of some of the rule changes, but haven't paid enuff attention to know how they'll be enforced... what the penalties will be. F'rinstance if the infielders line up in a shift, or one of 'em is on the outfield grass, does the pitcher just hold the ball [beyond the 15 or 20 seconds], and get charged with taking too long? ... does an umpire give the offending infielder a warning? ... if a warning isn't heeded, then what? Should be "interesting" (?) to see how it pans out.
TV guide shows less than two hours 'til Giants vs. Yankees. "Go Yankees! Go!!"
Edit: Maybe there'll be buzzers [like the shot clock in basketball], only a few different sounding ones for different "infractions," then it can be sorted out by some dudes watching the video in New York??
Edited by - Owen on 03/30/2023 08:14:59
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Originally posted by MoPacOpening day for Major League Baseball and this year there are changes in the rules to try to increase the fan interest. A couple right off the bat, no pun intended. Pitchers have 15 seconds to pitch if there are no runners on base, 20 seconds if there are runners on base. Batters have to be in the box with 8 seconds left on the clock. Also, infielders have to be on the dirt in the infield, or infield grass with two on either side of second base when the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. No shift until the ball is on the way. The bases are 18 inches wide instead of 15.
This should make baseball more like I remember when I went to Cardinals games when I was a kid, back in the day of Bob Gibson and Lou Brock.
One rule should be that the batter gets to adjust his gloves one time ...... not after every d*** pitch, regardless of how long it takes him to get back in the box. I still don't understand why the shift is illegal. If a team wants to put all seven fielders in left field, why should that matter.
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Originally posted by OwenI have a general idea of some of the rule changes, but haven't paid enuff attention to know how they'll be enforced... what the penalties will be. F'rinstance if the infielders line up in a shift, or one of 'em is on the outfield grass, does the pitcher just hold the ball [beyond the 15 or 20 seconds], and get charged with taking too long? ... does an umpire give the offending infielder a warning? ... if a warning isn't heeded, then what? Should be "interesting" (?) to see how it pans out.
TV guide shows less than two hours 'til Giants vs. Yankees. "Go Yankees! Go!!"
Edit: Maybe there'll be buzzers [like the shot clock in basketball], only a few different sounding ones for different "infractions," then it can be sorted out by some dudes watching the video in New York??
If the infielders are illegal when the ball is pitched, the ball is dead and a ball is awarded to the batter. If the batter makes contact during a pitch where the infielders are illegal, then the batters manager can either take the ball or decline and take the result of the at bat.
What I don’t like and I may be reading it wrong is that a pitcher can only throw to base twice before delivering a pitch in the attempt to pick off a leading runner. Once he does that the runner is free from anymore pickoff attempts and could theoretically lead off the bag all the way to the next one.
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Originally posted by 250gibsonWhat I don’t like and I may be reading it wrong is that a pitcher can only throw to base twice before delivering a pitch in the attempt to pick off a leading runner. Once he does that the runner is free from anymore pickoff attempts and could theoretically lead off the bag all the way to the next one.
Yes, I think that is going to increase the running game with more stolen bases.
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Originally posted by 250gibsonWhat I don’t like and I may be reading it wrong is that a pitcher can only throw to base twice before delivering a pitch in the attempt to pick off a leading runner. Once he does that the runner is free from anymore pickoff attempts and could theoretically lead off the bag all the way to the next one.
The pitcher can actually do it three times per at-bat. The first two are without penalty. That is, the first two pick-off attempts can fail to make an out and nothing is charged to the pitcher (or fielding team). If a third attempt during the same at-bat fails to produce an out, the pitcher is charged with a balk.
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Originally posted by BanjoLinkquote:
Originally posted by MoPacOpening day for Major League Baseball and this year there are changes in the rules to try to increase the fan interest. A couple right off the bat, no pun intended. Pitchers have 15 seconds to pitch if there are no runners on base, 20 seconds if there are runners on base. Batters have to be in the box with 8 seconds left on the clock. Also, infielders have to be on the dirt in the infield, or infield grass with two on either side of second base when the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. No shift until the ball is on the way. The bases are 18 inches wide instead of 15.
This should make baseball more like I remember when I went to Cardinals games when I was a kid, back in the day of Bob Gibson and Lou Brock.One rule should be that the batter gets to adjust his gloves one time ...... not after every d*** pitch, regardless of how long it takes him to get back in the box. I still don't understand why the shift is illegal. If a team wants to put all seven fielders in left field, why should that matter.
I remember when a grounder up the middle was almost always a base hit.
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Originally posted by MoPacBatters have to be in the box with 8 seconds left on the clock.
Penalty is a strike.
I'm not enough of a student of the game or fan of any players to care about protecting anyone's at-bat routines. If some have so much OCD they really have to do all the ridiculous things they do to get ready to hit a pitch . . . too bad. Time to learn a fundamental skill of the game: stand in the box, wait for a pitch.
Is there any correlation between pre-pitch histrionics and batting average?
Now I know why I was never a big fan of pro baseball. It was confusing enough as it was now this extra layer on the cake? Before I move to another topic, Go Sox's
Edited by - 5B-Ranch on 03/30/2023 12:19:55
The game is being changed to appeal to people who are not even baseball fans. I do not believe this will change their opinions. Those who think that the game is too long and too slow are not going to be converted by these changes, imo.
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Originally posted by MoPacBatters have to be in the box with 8 seconds left on the clock.
Penalty is a strike.
I'm not enough of a student of the game or fan of any players to care about protecting anyone's at-bat routines. If some have so much OCD they really have to do all the ridiculous things they do to get ready to hit a pitch . . . too bad. Time to learn a fundamental skill of the game: stand in the box, wait for a pitch.
Is there any correlation between pre-pitch histrionics and batting average?
I feel this will be taken advantage of by batters. This essentially trims the pitchers time to 7-12 sec. as the batter cannot be pitched to unless he is in the box. This is really telling a batter they have an 8 second break before they have to get in the box and get ready, whereas before it was up to the umpire to tell the batter to get in the box.
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Originally posted by banjo bill-eThe game is being changed to appeal to people who are not even baseball fans. I do not believe this will change their opinions. Those who think that the game is too long and too slow are not going to be converted by these changes, imo.
I think they are trying to make it better for those that are already fans, or fans they lost because of the time issue and other factors. For example, the shift rule, I think is to put more offense into the game. In past years, when the fielders shifted, the pitchers were going to throw the ball where for example a right handed hitter had no choice except to pull the ball between, third and second base as the pitchers were going to throw on the inside of the plate. It will interesting to see what affect it has on batting averages.
Watched my Cards loose 10-9 to Toronto. Seemed like the baseball had more eyes without all the shifts.
ken
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Originally posted by From Greylock to Bean BlossomWatched my Cards loose 10-9 to Toronto. Seemed like the baseball had more eyes without all the shifts.
ken
Nothing like opening day at Busch Stadium!
Edited by - MoPac on 03/31/2023 07:04:29
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Originally posted by MoPacquote:
Originally posted by From Greylock to Bean BlossomWatched my Cards loose 10-9 to Toronto. Seemed like the baseball had more eyes without all the shifts.
kenNothing like opening day at Busch Stadium!
Yes Sir!
Cardinal baseball is the true heart and soul of America's pastime.
If it were up to me, Major League Baseball would make the following changes.
1. Get rid of the designated hitter; pitchers should have to bat.
2. The regular season should consist of 156 games and there should be no playoffs.
3. Get rid of salary arbitration.
4. Ban batting gloves.
5. Ban batting helmets; we allow children to be shot to death in our schools, why should we worry if
a couple of professional baseball players are killed by 100 mile per hour fast balls.
6. Pete Rose should be inducted into the hall of fame
Edited by - RB3 on 03/31/2023 08:09:45
..and speaking of 100 mph fastballs....
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Originally posted by banjo bill-eThe game is being changed to appeal to people who are not even baseball fans. I do not believe this will change their opinions. Those who think that the game is too long and too slow are not going to be converted by these changes, imo.
Baseball fans know the shift was terrible. Likewise, lots of baseball fans don't need 10 seconds of nut scratching during every at bat. I love baseball, and I was glad to see the DH go, I'm glad to see the shift ended, and I love the pitch clock.
Although, slower pitchers will gas quicker on their way to their 70 pitch cap.
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Originally posted by RB3If it were up to me, Major League Baseball would make the following changes.
1. Get rid of the designated hitter; pitchers should have to bat.
2. The regular season should consist of 156 games and there should be no playoffs.
3. Get rid of salary arbitration.
4. Ban batting gloves.
5. Ban batting helmets; we allow children to be shot to death in our schools, why should we worry if
a couple of professional baseball players are killed by 100 mile per hour fast balls.6. Pete Rose should be inducted into the hall of fame
It would be more interesting if they banned the fielders from wearing gloves. Ticket prices are outrageous, I can’t even watch my Cubs on TV unless I purchase the cable TV network the owner owns, the park has become one gigantic billboard to enhance the revenue streams the owners want, the players either don’t know the basics or more likely don’t care as it’s more like a home run derby then hard nose baseball. The rule changes are band aides.
This thing has gone downhill quick.
good luck with it.
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.... I was glad to see the DH go and .... their 70 pitch cap.
Is that for regular season MLB or was it just the WBC Tournament?
Tongue-in-cheek, Tommy, they're that bad??? "I can’t even watch my Cubs..." brings to mind Casey w.r.t. the Mets .... "Can't anybody here play this game?" 
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Originally posted by Owen.... I was glad to see the DH go and .... their 70 pitch cap.
Is that for regular season MLB or was it just the WBC Tournament?
Tongue-in-cheek, Tommy, they're that bad??? "I can’t even watch my Cubs..." brings to mind Casey w.r.t. the Mets .... "Can't anybody here play this game?"
The cap is just a reference to pitchers having no stamina anymore. The Phillies Nola is a great example of someone who hasn't been able to handle the pitch clock yet and he was exhausted by his 50th pitch. Meanwhile I remember when Steve Carlton pitched 17 innings a game 162 games a year.
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Originally posted by Tommy5It would be more interesting if they banned the fielders from wearing gloves. Ticket prices are outrageous, I can’t even watch my Cubs on TV unless I purchase the cable TV network the owner owns, the park has become one gigantic billboard to enhance the revenue streams the owners want, the players either don’t know the basics or more likely don’t care as it’s more like a home run derby then hard nose baseball. The rule changes are band aides.
This is the sad part. We used to take the bus into the city, get into the game at a price a kid could afford and then slowly move closer by scouting out the empty seats. Now it costs as much in Philly to see a ball game as it does a NFL game and there are only 8 NFL home games.
Edited by - South Jersey Mike on 04/02/2023 07:32:13
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