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Rocks, trees, soup spoons, blocks of urinal cakes.... EVERYTHING.
But unless we can effectively communicate between them and us, what difference does it really make?
As one of my many brothers said about this:
Wow, my spoons aid in feeding me and not only do I not pay them, but I bought them on the open market. Does that make me a slave holder?
OK, so it has a name! "Panpsychism", glad to know it. I sort of think along those lines, not exactly their take on it, but when I read ---"Consciousness is a fundamental feature of physical matter; every single particle in existence has an “unimaginably simple” form of consciousness", well, I suppose that this is one of my "Chosen Beliefs." I would have used the term "awareness" rather than "consciousness" but it's a non-mystical belief where a type of awareness is simply a characteristic of matter, as intrinsic and natural as gravity. Although gravity is pretty spooky itself!
When we actually figure out the physical basis of consciousness I'd be surprised if it's based on physics that isn't also behind the behaviour, reactions and physical properties of things we don't consider to be conscious. Maybe even spoons. Of course we'd need an unambiguous definition of consciousness first. Anybody got one ?
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Originally posted by mike gregory[motions to the serving wench to bring another pint of bitters]."
A pint of bitters ? Angostura ? Eeewww. A pint of bitter please.
It pinned my "Serious-O-meter 2000" so for now I'll just go with the explanation (?) which introduces the second paragraph: "This sounds like easily-dismissible bunkum .... ."
Edited by - Owen on 03/29/2023 14:14:15
Sounds like animism to me.
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Originally posted by AndrewDWhen we actually figure out the physical basis of consciousness I'd be surprised if it's based on physics that isn't also behind the behaviour, reactions and physical properties of things we don't consider to be conscious. Maybe even spoons. Of course we'd need an unambiguous definition of consciousness first. Anybody got one ?
Sounds too much lie having tea and no tea. Are we sure this wasn't written by the late Douglas Adams?
This suggests that I was wrong = a sack of hammers is genius after all.
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Originally posted by Fish HeadSounds like animism to me.
Does animism include stuff that isn't animals, and isn't animated?
Rocks & clocks & urinal blocks?
Oh, wait!
Now that I think of it, with MY consciousness, I do remember seeing at least ONE animated clock.
In my drinking days I saw more than one animated urinal block.
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Originally posted by DC5In my drinking days I saw more than one animated urinal block.
And you worshipped at the porcelain throne?
My kitchen cutlery drawer this morning didn’t look to have much going on.
But what do I know? Maybe the spoons heard me coming and just played dead when the drawer was open?
Our cat wasn’t saying anything.
Hey diddle diddle…
IF urinal blocks are conscious, how will we avoid seeming to show disrespect?
Can't just wizzzz off the back porch, since grass is also alleged to be conscious.
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Originally posted by mike gregoryquote:
Originally posted by Fish HeadSounds like animism to me.
Does animism include stuff that isn't animals, and isn't animated?
Rocks & clocks & urinal blocks?
Yes. Animism comes from the Latin anima (spirit or soul)'. Weren't you lisrening in those Latin lessons ?
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Originally posted by DC5Wow, my spoons aid in feeding me and not only do I not pay them, but I bought them on the open market. Does that make me a slave holder?
Don't forget that after you use them, you waterboard them. That makes you a torturous slave owner. 
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Originally posted by AndrewDquote:
Originally posted by mike gregoryquote:
Originally posted by Fish HeadSounds like animism to me.
Does animism include stuff that isn't animals, and isn't animated?
Rocks & clocks & urinal blocks?
Yes. Animism comes from the Latin anima (spirit or soul)'. Weren't you lisrening in those Latin lessons ?
I was barely listening in the English lessons.
Why
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Am i not suprised..
About the op...
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Originally posted by AndrewDquote:
Originally posted by mike gregoryquote:
Originally posted by Fish HeadSounds like animism to me.
Does animism include stuff that isn't animals, and isn't animated?
Rocks & clocks & urinal blocks?
Yes. Animism comes from the Latin anima (spirit or soul)'. Weren't you listening in those Latin lessons ?
SEVEN SEMESTERS of Latin, and all I remember is
"UTINAM OMNE PENDATUR!"
(Let it all hang out!)
Which is apparently the advice Michelangelo took, when carving the statue of David.
IF some being or thing has the attribute of "consciousness" is it a 100%, 24/7, 365 deal or can it come and go?
'Way back, when someone shooting hoops or playing pick-up basketball would make/fluke a shot/play he didn't typically make, he'd sometimes get accused of being "unconscious."
Could this apply equally to spoons? [Inquiring minds want to know.]
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Originally posted by adstromMy kitchen cutlery drawer this morning didn’t look to have much going on.
But what do I know? Maybe the spoons heard me coming and just played dead when the drawer was open?
Our cat wasn’t saying anything.
Hey diddle diddle…
Seems as though the spoons wee spooning.
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Originally posted by mike gregoryIF urinal blocks are conscious, how will we avoid seeming to show disrespect? ...
Nope, you weren't showing disrespect. You were helping them to fulfill their purpose in life.
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Originally posted by adstromMy kitchen cutlery drawer this morning didn’t look to have much going on.
But what do I know? Maybe the spoons heard me coming and just played dead when the drawer was open?
Our cat wasn’t saying anything.
Hey diddle diddle…
Mike Mike! Mike Mike Mike. Hey diddle diddle Mike!
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Originally posted by Paul Rquote:
Originally posted by adstromMy kitchen cutlery drawer this morning didn’t look to have much going on.
But what do I know? Maybe the spoons heard me coming and just played dead when the drawer was open?
Our cat wasn’t saying anything.
Hey diddle diddle…Seems as though the spoons wee spooning.
Now I'm never going to be able to look at the fork compartment in the same way again.
This topic reminds me of that Disney Animated move Beauty and The Beast. I see where the premise of this movie originates. Leave it to Disney to set good examples.
What was the fork’s response when the spoon suggest they spoon?
Edited by - 5B-Ranch on 03/31/2023 09:35:21
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Originally posted by 5B-RanchThis topic reminds me of that Disney Animated move Beauty and The Beast. I see where the premise of this movie originates. Leave it to Disney to set good examples.
What was the fork’s response when the spoon suggest they spoon?
I dunno. Fork off?
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