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Unfortunately it looks like I a going to have to dress the fret edges on my beautiful Pisgah Walnut Possum. The fretboard is Persimmon, I live in Colorado so it has shrunk a bit. No way around that I guess. it is just not practical for me to keep the humidity at a high level where I live. I will of course keep the board moisturized but the frets are sticking out and pretty sharp. What are the best tools to do this procedure with? I have purchased a fret dressing file from Stew Mac but that looks like it will take a looong time to do all the frets, I see other file blocks and such being used on Youtube. Speaking of which, which method do the experts here recommend using?
Thanks for advice!
Long time is a relative term. It could probably be done in a half hour, an hour at max. I noticed some sharp frets on one of my instruments yesterday, so I'm in for the same process. Eh, maybe I'll wait until it's unavoidable.
An alternative to a file block is a piece of flat glass with sandpaper glued on (3M Super 77 spray adhesive is good). The main worry is to try to minimize scratching of the fret board side or binding. Use the file block or sandpaper on glass to get the bulk of the metal off. A very fine file is good for the final push.
I use a mill bastard file to dress the ends flush with the edge of the fingerboard. Then I dress them at 45º with a file block. Then I use a small smooth edge file to dress the little sharp corners of each fret. Follow with a crowning file to shape the end contour. If the frets need leveling, I do that, followed by re-crowning if necessary. Then I polish the frets with 600-800 paper, #0000 bronze wool and finally dress the fingerboard with mineral oil rubbed in with a finger.
Jerry Rosa of Rosa Guitar Works has good Youtube videos of fret work/ fingerboard prep.
Edited by - beegee on 12/08/2022 11:05:47
I use the individual "slab" type sharpeners but this is the kind I'm talking about:
https://www.harborfreight.com/4-sided-diamond-hone-block-92867.html
The plastic edges on them prevent you from scratching/gouging the fretboard and will let you do an entire neck on short order - easy to use, available in many places, economical.
I use a flat (check them before buying, many are warped) mill bastard file to file the fret ends down to the edge of the fingerboard at an angle (eyeballed) a little steeper than 45 degrees. After than a small safe-edge flat file to round the little sharp corners. Next is a safe-edge triangular file to file each fret end to a dome shape. Follow that with 0000 steel wool and it's done. No Stewmac special tools involved, just my own modified (safe-edges) files.
There are probably numerous ways to do this job, and numerous tools that work (I've used flat files, sanding blocks, and small jeweler's files, myself).
However, every method I know of involves patience and care. If you think doing this job will take too long, then maybe you should find an experienced person to do it for you. It's no sin to farm out a job you find too tedious.
As mentioned above, several times:
Don't rush. Do NOT rush! Eschew haste!
Napoleon was in a rush to conquer Russia; Captain Edward Smith was in a rush to get the TITANIC to New York; Amelia Earhart was in a rush to circumnavigate the globe.
(Sad to note that, had she been successful, she would have landed at the same place where she took off, the same place she would have been if she'd never left.)
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Originally posted by sunburstI use a flat (check them before buying, many are warped) mill bastard file to file the fret ends down to the edge of the fingerboard at an angle (eyeballed) a little steeper than 45 degrees. After than a small safe-edge flat file to round the little sharp corners. Next is a safe-edge triangular file to file each fret end to a dome shape. Follow that with 0000 steel wool and it's done. No Stewmac special tools involved, just my own modified (safe-edges) files.
I like the time saved by doing the fret end all at once with one application of the SM end file.
They aren't cheap,but neither is my time.
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Originally posted by steve davisquote:I like the time saved by doing the fret end all at once with one application of the SM end file.
They aren't cheap,but neither is my time.
It's not the money, I have plenty of over-priced special fretting tools, and it's not the time; it's the quality of the job. I can't do my best with other tools so I go with what works for me.
I recall an earlier discussion about this in which Bart Reiter said that it took more time to write up an invoice for the work than to file the fret ends, so when he worked at a music store (I can't recall which one) he didn't charge people to do the job. I'll see if I can find that thread and link to it.
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Originally posted by Zachary HoytI recall an earlier discussion about this in which Bart Reiter said that it took more time to write up an invoice for the work than to file the fret ends, so when he worked at a music store (I can't recall which one) he didn't charge people to do the job. I'll see if I can find that thread and link to it.
I invested in the proper files and emery boards, did the job myself this morning . About an hour and a half all told. Very pleased with the results and the experience.
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Originally posted by G Edward PorgieThere are probably numerous ways to do this job, and numerous tools that work (I've used flat files, sanding blocks, and small jeweler's files, myself).
However, every method I know of involves patience and care. If you think doing this job will take too long, then maybe you should find an experienced person to do it for you. It's no sin to farm out a job you find too tedious.
Please see my post below, I was pleasantly surprised at how easy this job actually was and enjoyed doing it, Only took an hour and a half, including a fretboard oil and fresh strings.
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Originally posted by steve davisHalf the fun I have with a banjo is working on it.
Yep!!! I agree!
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Originally posted by steve davisHalf the fun I have with a banjo is working on it.
These past couple of years I find I spend more time tinkering with banjos than actually playing, learning new tunes, etc. It's fun. The banjo is the perfect instrument for people who are born, or aspiring, tinkerers. Is "tinkerers" a word? It is now.
I graduated Auto Technology at a respected VoTech institute,but didn't pursue that as a career.Working on banjos fills some of that gap.
I feel it helps my playing by having the instruments fine-tuned to my preferences and I never have to wait for a shop to find the time to work on my banjo.I hate being without it or spending money.
Edited by - steve davis on 12/14/2022 06:33:14
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Originally posted by Eric Aquote:
Originally posted by steve davisHalf the fun I have with a banjo is working on it.
These past couple of years I find I spend more time tinkering with banjos than actually playing, learning new tunes, etc. It's fun. The banjo is the perfect instrument for people who are born, or aspiring, tinkerers. Is "tinkerers" a word? It is now.
I tink calling "tinkerers" a word is stretching it
I am one who doesn't much care for some banjo jobs, but I do like the idea of making a banjo respond the way I want it to, not someone else's idea of how it should be set up..
I built one of these for bringing the fret ends flush with the fretboard edge. It is just a block of wood with a 90 ° and 35° table saw cut on either side. A small file can be put in either one for filing flush then angling to 35° from vertical. They can be bought all over the internet.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZN5Gdwh4v_6K_GGNkJxHXLpcMSQLBYDGgCw&usqp=CAU
I use one of these for dressing the fret ends after, from Lee Valley, likely cheaper than SM.
leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools...m=60J0205
Edited by - Fathand on 12/16/2022 18:53:24
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