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Sep 22, 2022 - 7:41:59 PM
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This is my second attempt at Wagon Wheel. This time we are using the backing track from the group: Old Crow Medicine Show.

Thanks 4 listening.

Terry

Edited by - Toothless in Kentucky on 09/24/2022 16:04:58

Sep 23, 2022 - 7:47:43 AM

5479 posts since 8/31/2006

Don’t mean to sound mean but maybe just play the tune, to me the whole thing sounded like a hot mess don’t get me wrong kudos for posting it’s takes stones, but maybe play the tune without the other distractions going on

Sep 23, 2022 - 8:27:49 AM
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phb

Germany

3503 posts since 11/8/2010

I think you should keep on doing what you are doing there, i.e. keep on playing with backing tracks, practice back-up playing (which isn't about playing the tune, that is something to address when you can play rolling backup without thinking about it). You are doing the right thing and you will improve. Yes, there are some musically rough parts but I'm sure you hear them yourself.

Sep 23, 2022 - 11:09:23 AM
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doryman

USA

1236 posts since 11/26/2012

Hey Terry. Good effort, you'll get there. My immediate thought, however, is to slow your backing track way down. There are timing issues throughout, likely caused by the track going faster than you can play all the notes correctly right now. Bring it down about 30 bpm and, when you can keep good time, bump it up 5 bpm at a time.

Sep 23, 2022 - 11:11:29 AM

1293 posts since 11/9/2012

Sorry guys this sounds like junk on my phone. It sure sounded different in my ear yesterday.

Forgive me. In my headphones it sure sounded better. Deleting.

Terry

Sep 23, 2022 - 11:20:59 AM

1293 posts since 11/9/2012

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Originally posted by the-fish

Don’t mean to sound mean but maybe just play the tune, to me the whole thing sounded like a hot mess don’t get me wrong kudos for posting it’s takes stones, but maybe play the tune without the other distractions going on


Hell I agree. Sorry for not realizing it sooner, it's always been difficult for me to judge what is good and what is bad, with the banjo.

Sep 23, 2022 - 11:22:37 AM

1293 posts since 11/9/2012

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Originally posted by doryman

Hey Terry. Good effort, you'll get there. My immediate thought, however, is to slow your backing track way down. There are timing issues throughout, likely caused by the track going faster than you can play all the notes correctly right now. Bring it down about 30 bpm and, when you can keep good time, bump it up 5 bpm at a time.


Hmm.. ' Thanks for that. I like that idea.

Sep 23, 2022 - 11:27:18 AM
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Man don’t worry about it, lime I said takes stones to post good for you!

Don’t feel bad, I didn’t mean to make you feel that way you asked

Good for you man I want to lean that tune as well love it

Sep 23, 2022 - 12:29:57 PM

1293 posts since 11/9/2012

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Originally posted by the-fish

Man don’t worry about it, lime I said takes stones to post good for you!

Don’t feel bad, I didn’t mean to make you feel that way you asked

Good for you man I want to lean that tune as well love it


Oh, it's cool. I may try this one again, soon. Fact is I could hear how bad it was today. I know I had something better going on, at least in my headphones. This happens to me sometimes, I share clips too soon and embaress myself. I try to delete the worse offenders as soon as I realize it. In this case it took me a few hours until I could hear the damage myself.

Thanks for listening, I know this was a rough one. Lol!

Sep 23, 2022 - 1:18:53 PM
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i didn't even listen-I figured wagon wheel to be to be an off-shoot  of "you ain't goin nowhere '' from 1971==and I put it on my ignore list --when it hit hard----
the non- playing general public --that made it poplar --liked it more for the chick magnets and I need other things in my music --I never go by --the public acclaimed lists--they are either hype experts or their victims--that being said sometimes they are accidentally correct

my opinion i ask no one to agree
you always made good tunes terry --keep on truckun

PS Dylan has many more --but even he did duds

 

Edited by - Tractor1 on 09/23/2022 13:27:02

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Sep 23, 2022 - 2:21:01 PM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

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27725 posts since 8/3/2003

Terry, is there a way for you to play just the backup chords and at a slower tempo? With all the background singing and what have you, it's bound to hurt your concentration. If so, I think you could work on your timing and have the song down at a medium tempo fairly quickly. You've got the right idea, just need work on timing.

Sep 23, 2022 - 2:47:56 PM

1293 posts since 11/9/2012

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Originally posted by Tractor1

i didn't even listen-I figured wagon wheel to be to be an off-shoot  of "you ain't goin nowhere '' from 1971==and I put it on my ignore list --when it hit hard----
the non- playing general public --that made it poplar --liked it more for the chick magnets and I need other things in my music --I never go by --the public acclaimed lists--they are either hype experts or their victims--that being said sometimes they are accidentally correct

my opinion i ask no one to agree
you always made good tunes terry --keep on truckun

PS Dylan has many more --but even he did duds

THANKS TOM! 


Sep 23, 2022 - 2:57:01 PM

1293 posts since 11/9/2012

quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo

Terry, is there a way for you to play just the backup chords and at a slower tempo? With all the background singing and what have you, it's bound to hurt your concentration. If so, I think you could work on your timing and have the song down at a medium tempo fairly quickly. You've got the right idea, just need work on timing.


Thanks Sherry. "We" are heeding all advise, I appreciate it. It's embarrassing, but I'm doing my best. I don't know what I was keeping time with yesterday, as I could hear it today. Also, for some reason the backing track was mixed much louder than I had thought, as many of the notes got buried... Just a bad song post all together.  But I don't stay embarrassed forever, I may come back to this song later. Next time I will wait before I ever post a song. Back to the drawing board, but I never give up.

I might try the Old Crow Medicine Show Backing Track.... ' have to see what the copyright status is on You Tube.. ; I think it's do-able.

Edited by - Toothless in Kentucky on 09/23/2022 15:01:13

Sep 24, 2022 - 4:41:07 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

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Originally posted by Toothless in Kentucky
quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo

Terry, is there a way for you to play just the backup chords and at a slower tempo? With all the background singing and what have you, it's bound to hurt your concentration. If so, I think you could work on your timing and have the song down at a medium tempo fairly quickly. You've got the right idea, just need work on timing.


Thanks Sherry. "We" are heeding all advise, I appreciate it. It's embarrassing, but I'm doing my best. I don't know what I was keeping time with yesterday, as I could hear it today. Also, for some reason the backing track was mixed much louder than I had thought, as many of the notes got buried... Just a bad song post all together.  But I don't stay embarrassed forever, I may come back to this song later. Next time I will wait before I ever post a song. Back to the drawing board, but I never give up.

I might try the Old Crow Medicine Show Backing Track.... ' have to see what the copyright status is on You Tube.. ; I think it's do-able.


Terry, nothing to be embarrassed about.  You're learning and we've all been where you are.   I give you kudos for posting and asking for our thoughts.   I could not have done that when I was learning.

Sep 24, 2022 - 4:08 PM

1293 posts since 11/9/2012

quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo
quote:
Originally posted by Toothless in Kentucky
quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo

Terry, is there a way for you to play just the backup chords and at a slower tempo? With all the background singing and what have you, it's bound to hurt your concentration. If so, I think you could work on your timing and have the song down at a medium tempo fairly quickly. You've got the right idea, just need work on timing.


Thanks Sherry. "We" are heeding all advise, I appreciate it. It's embarrassing, but I'm doing my best. I don't know what I was keeping time with yesterday, as I could hear it today. Also, for some reason the backing track was mixed much louder than I had thought, as many of the notes got buried... Just a bad song post all together.  But I don't stay embarrassed forever, I may come back to this song later. Next time I will wait before I ever post a song. Back to the drawing board, but I never give up.

I might try the Old Crow Medicine Show Backing Track.... ' have to see what the copyright status is on You Tube.. ; I think it's do-able.


Terry, nothing to be embarrassed about.  You're learning and we've all been where you are.   I give you kudos for posting and asking for our thoughts.   I could not have done that when I was learning.


Thanks Sherry. I guess what bothers me the most is knowing how many years I have been attempting tp play this instrument. I swear that I have learned more about banjo playing this year than in all my decades before. I was not learning anything until recently. I appreciate the help from all of you folks.

Sep 24, 2022 - 8:42:55 PM

4133 posts since 9/12/2016

Don't you ever forget the ideas you were already using on the 5 Terry ---some day when your chord playing gets refined, they do have individuality and musical ideas---
for your post--on this lap top your banjo was set too high volumewise --it needs to sound like you are onstage with them--one trick is to make sure both are reverbed a bit--but there is no perfect mix for all speakers---music wise--the chord rollin was right on---good timing --even a bit of push here and there---
a little more sliding ==hammering --etc--and you will be ,one of them banjo pickers

Sep 24, 2022 - 9:48:27 PM

1293 posts since 11/9/2012

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Originally posted by Tractor1

Don't you ever forget the ideas you were already using on the 5 Terry ---some day when your chord playing gets refined, they do have individuality and musical ideas---
for your post--on this lap top your banjo was set too high volumewise --it needs to sound like you are onstage with them--one trick is to make sure both are reverbed a bit--but there is no perfect mix for all speakers---music wise--the chord rollin was right on---good timing --even a bit of push here and there---
a little more sliding ==hammering --etc--and you will be ,one of them banjo pickers


Thanks Tom, you rock man. ;) I did a remix with lower volume levels, but to be honest it still sounds the same- The vocals are distorted, and it appears much of the distortion is in the backing track on you tube: (24) Old Crow Medicine Show - Wagon Wheel - Original - Guitar Chords (0023-A1) - YouTube - This is the chord backing track I used, and the vocals seem to have a buzz going on there as well. The banjo should not be distorted, at least it's not on my end. Still I'm trying to see if I can improve the audio, as I just can't seem to lose the distortion on the backing track.

Sep 24, 2022 - 10:20:16 PM
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chuckv97

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Keep on truckin’ Terry,, you’re getting there. The banjo tone sounds fine on this end,, your timing is mostly just a bit behind the beat , that’ll straighten out the more you play it.
btw, re Tom Tractor, a good guy with a style of his own,,, I happen to like all the so-called pop bluegrass stuff that the non-playing public likes,, you know, Wagon Wheel, Man of Constant Sorrow, Dueling Banjos, Foggy Mountain Breakdown, Fox on the Run, Beverly Hillbillies Theme, etc.

Sep 25, 2022 - 8:25:25 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

27725 posts since 8/3/2003

Terry, that's MUCH better. Your timing is good, the banjo sounds clean and clear. Well done! Thanks for posting an update.

Sep 25, 2022 - 4:31:46 PM
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Originally posted by chuckv97

Keep on truckin’ Terry,, you’re getting there. The banjo tone sounds fine on this end,, your timing is mostly just a bit behind the beat , that’ll straighten out the more you play it.
btw, re Tom Tractor, a good guy with a style of his own,,, I happen to like all the so-called pop bluegrass stuff that the non-playing public likes,, you know, Wagon Wheel, Man of Constant Sorrow, Dueling Banjos, Foggy Mountain Breakdown, Fox on the Run, Beverly Hillbillies Theme, etc.


Thanks for the feedback, Chas. I appreciate your professional  opinion. I hope to improve on my timing, but this was my very best at the time I recorded it. To my ear it sounds in time, but I hope with more practice of this song that I will be able to tackle the issue you point out. For now I'm still trying to learn the song without reading the chords on a you tube video. Perhaps once I learn the chords things might flow better.

Sep 25, 2022 - 4:43:58 PM

1293 posts since 11/9/2012

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Originally posted by Texasbanjo

Terry, that's MUCH better. Your timing is good, the banjo sounds clean and clear. Well done! Thanks for posting an update.


Thank you for listening again, Sherry (I know that HAD to be scary)! Chuckv97 mentioned my timing was just behind the beat, so I'm struggling to hear the problem and to understand what I need to do to improve on it. Oh, and a big THANK YOU, Sherry for saying what you did, I needed to read that today. It really bothered me knowing how badly I bombed on the first song post of this. I just had to post my current "best" of the song out there. I'm practicing daily now, it's way more fun than I ever knew. There is so much more that I need to learn.

Sep 25, 2022 - 5:18:29 PM
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I have no problem with your placement of the beat Terry and despite most of my styles being made -up I can throw down on some Earl style from beginner days------On the hard driving instrumentals getting in there early helps the emotion--but on this one your choice where to put it ,seems a fine fit to me---
Chuck does a wonderful job on the banjo--but you can't believe everything he says about me---he  probably plays all those pop grass songs --hoping to be a famous canadian--a long row to hoe--as JD crowe said

Edited by - Tractor1 on 09/25/2022 17:22:09

Sep 25, 2022 - 6:37:11 PM
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a long hoe to row, Tom. lol

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