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Aug 14, 2022 - 3:33:47 PM
359 posts since 7/11/2014

Holiday folks, I've been searching and studying pictures to see if an RB7 headstock should be cut perpendicular to the plane of the fretboard or at a right angle to the head itself ( easier) , I realise I can do whatever I like but would like to know how they were cut originally if possible.

Aug 14, 2022 - 5:14:20 PM
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rcc56

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4430 posts since 2/20/2016

The pre-war style 7's were cut perpendicular to the fingerboard.
Good examples can be viewed at earnestbanjo.com.

Aug 14, 2022 - 5:28:10 PM
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1487 posts since 10/5/2006

Actually both.

Here is an original -18, -7 would be the same:
Close to nut is perpendicular to fingerboard.
Headstock tip is perpendicular to headstock face.

Aug 14, 2022 - 5:36:23 PM

rcc56

USA

4430 posts since 2/20/2016

Thanks, Frank. I didn't catch that.

Aug 14, 2022 - 5:55:28 PM
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14863 posts since 6/29/2005

I wonder if they did that to make it easier to bind the headstock?

Aug 14, 2022 - 6:17:06 PM
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4591 posts since 5/29/2011

quote:
Originally posted by Ken LeVan

I wonder if they did that to make it easier to bind the headstock?


Most likely. I can see it being a real job to bind a peg head that is cut on a slant.

Some of the early Gibson tenor banjos had a bound peg head that was similar in design to the Epiphone guitar peg head. They were also cut square, probably for the same reason.


 

Edited by - Culloden on 08/14/2022 18:20:24

Aug 14, 2022 - 8:58:17 PM
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13596 posts since 6/2/2008

Bowtie RB-250 as well:

Aug 14, 2022 - 9:28:48 PM

13596 posts since 6/2/2008

There have been discussions here in the past about peghead side angles and binding headstocks with channels routed perpendicular to the fretboard.

Angle discussion from 2014 

Binding discussion from 2016.

Binding discussion from 2008.

Richie Dotson posted this guide - with photos - on his own website.

Aug 15, 2022 - 11:54:31 AM

13596 posts since 6/2/2008

Looks to me that Stelling headstocks were cut perpendicular to the face, not the fretboard. And not just the bound models.

Aug 15, 2022 - 12:52:46 PM
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359 posts since 7/11/2014

Thanks folks. I got fed up waiting on a bandsaw and cut with a very fine jigsaw blade and a dremel, it needs more work but you get the idea. Progress! Next to cut the heel shape and fret then stain and spray.


 

Edited by - Waltraud on 08/15/2022 12:53:22

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Aug 16, 2022 - 8:06:51 AM

1002 posts since 2/21/2011

Thanks for the very informative subject and thanks to all who chimed in to clarify!

Aug 17, 2022 - 12:45:06 PM
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359 posts since 7/11/2014

Some progress, tuner holes @ 10mm, 5th string tuner hole and nut cut. Much sanding and measuring.


Aug 17, 2022 - 1:37:38 PM

5144 posts since 11/18/2003
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quote:
Originally posted by Oldtwanger

Actually both.

Here is an original -18, -7 would be the same:
Close to nut is perpendicular to fingerboard.
Headstock tip is perpendicular to headstock face.


Frank, my hero!! I have to build a style-7 copy, and I racked my brains forever studying the photos on Greg Earnest's banjo page. I've played and studied a couple or three TTs years ago, but they all had repro necks, and pretty sure one of them had the headstock all cut like the other prewar banjos, i.e. with all the sides perpendicular to the fingerboard plane. Thank you so much my friend!

Aug 20, 2022 - 12:10:20 PM

359 posts since 7/11/2014

This is very cool, I've tried to do this so the cuts nearer the nut are close to perpendicular to the FB and the upper cuts are at 90deg to the head, it at least this is Joe I think it looks. Trouble with making necks I find is that every time I put it down, sleep and come back to it I see new imperfections and have to sand again.... I guess that is what it takes to make it look just right. I'm thinking to raise the grain next and re sand then do fat SS frets and then finish it.

Aug 21, 2022 - 6:05:35 AM

4677 posts since 9/7/2009

I wonder if Richie Dotson has noticed that auto correct replaced "heat gun" with "head gut" on his website?

"To proceed with the rest of the binding job I need a head gut (not a hair dryer as it will not produce temperatures hot enough to soften the binding."

Aug 21, 2022 - 6:16:17 AM
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4677 posts since 9/7/2009

Binding on an angle is a real pain in the arss!


Aug 21, 2022 - 7:27:15 AM

972 posts since 2/17/2005

Tim,
I love this inlay design! I was just thinking of a similarly Nick Lucas inspired top tension-y neck.
Way cool.

Aug 21, 2022 - 11:30:05 AM

359 posts since 7/11/2014

Thank you! Would look good on that lovely clean Pyramid you're selling ????

Aug 21, 2022 - 11:31:21 AM

972 posts since 2/17/2005

you're darn right!!

Aug 31, 2022 - 1:47:01 PM

359 posts since 7/11/2014

I've made some progress but these are early in the finishing process. It doesn't quite look right without binding but I like a simple look for a late 20s tb2.
I'm grateful for all your helpful ideas and comments.

Tim




Aug 31, 2022 - 5:49:24 PM
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2653 posts since 9/18/2010

Here's my 1937 original tenor neck. Starting at the nut, the edge starts out being cut perpendicular to the fingerboard, then transitions along the long curve to being cut perpendicular to the peghead itself.
Why did they do that? My guess is; to make it easier to apply binding and have a reasonably even width around the peghead. Anyone who has worked with pegheads cut perpendicular to the fingerboard knows the difficulty of applying binding to the top of the peghead and maintaining and even thickness.


 

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