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Aug 11, 2022 - 8:53:09 AM
32 posts since 3/10/2012

What should one expect to pay for an early 2000s Scruggs Standard in near mint condition but with a very well executed headstock repair?

Aug 11, 2022 - 8:57:28 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by PineyWoods

What should one expect to pay for an early 2000s Scruggs Standard in near mint condition but with a very well executed headstock repair?


Will they include the stand it fell off of?

Aug 11, 2022 - 8:58:12 AM

KCJones

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1780 posts since 8/30/2012

I value repaired parts at $0.

Aug 11, 2022 - 8:59:12 AM

32 posts since 3/10/2012

And the horse they rode in on. It’s actually on consignment at a shop. I’ve played it and love it but this throws a spanner in the works.

Aug 11, 2022 - 9:21:15 AM
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TN Time

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350 posts since 12/6/2021

Could you post a photo of the headstock repair?
Robert

Aug 11, 2022 - 9:24:30 AM
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Well executed repairs to me are repairs that are invisible except maybe under UV light. I use the quality of the touch up as an indicator of care as it requires experience and skills and is tedious and time consuming--an indicator of the general standards of the repair tech.
The nature of the crack, long and straight versus snapped off short make a difference in my evaluation.
Knowing who did the repair is important. The world is now full of YouTube luthiers. Someone using Titebond glue more than two years old has created a potential failure. Someone who does not know how to get glue deep into the crack is creating a potential failure. Someone who does not know how to prep the crack and its accompanying splinters for gluing is creating a potential failure. Etc.

An experienced repair tech who repairs a crack correctly has repaired a crack that is now stronger than the surrounding wood.

Still, resale is lower and slower.

Aug 11, 2022 - 9:30:20 AM

14912 posts since 10/30/2008

Would have to see a photo of it to opine. Devaluation would be in the hundreds of dollars at least. Plenty of Scruggs Standards come up for sale. Unless you're hoping for a bargain, wait for another one.

Aug 11, 2022 - 9:31:09 AM

32 posts since 3/10/2012

quote:
Originally posted by TN Time

Could you post a photo of the headstock repair?
Robert


I took a couple but I don't know how to post them from my phone.

Aug 11, 2022 - 9:40:45 AM

32 posts since 3/10/2012

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Originally posted by The Old Timer

Would have to see a photo of it to opine. Devaluation would be in the hundreds of dollars at least. Plenty of Scruggs Standards come up for sale. Unless you're hoping for a bargain, wait for another one.


It's priced at $3200, which was a great price before I noticed the repair. Kind of disappointed the shop didn't point it out as I've been trading there for years, but, it is what it is. The repair seems totally stable and so well done I played for a long time before noticing it. I'm not exaggerating when I describe the banjo as near mint. No fret wear, no metal tarnish, no marks on the resonator. It's like the original owner knocked it over, had it repaired and put it back under the bed for nineteen years.

Aug 11, 2022 - 9:49:28 AM
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RioStat

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5884 posts since 10/12/2009

Here's photos from PineyWoods' (OP) homepage.........can't tell much from these 2 pictures....maybe that's a good sign regarding the quality of the repair !




Edited by - RioStat on 08/11/2022 09:50:33

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Aug 11, 2022 - 9:53:59 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by RioStat

Here's photos from PineyWoods' (OP) homepage.........can't tell much from these 2 pictures....maybe that's a good sign regarding the quality of the repair !

 


Thanks for moving those over! Yeah, the repairs are nearly invisible. I used a UV light and didn't even pick up the refin but you can see the repair if you look hard, and the shop confirmed it.

Aug 11, 2022 - 10:02:17 AM

32 posts since 3/10/2012

Yeah, I'm thinking I'll pass; I've got a line on another no-issues "boutique" banjo with fewer issues.
Thanks for all the help and advice.

Aug 11, 2022 - 10:39:15 AM
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Eric A

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1602 posts since 10/15/2019

If they were trying to sell that banjo without mentioning the repair, you have to pass no matter what, imo.

Aug 11, 2022 - 11:02:17 AM
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14912 posts since 10/30/2008

Had that been disclosed ahead of time, and you liked it, that's a good price.

Aug 11, 2022 - 11:30:43 AM

beegee

USA

23075 posts since 7/6/2005

If you are buying as a player, it doesn't matter. If you are buying as a collector, it does matter. Use the repair as a bargaining point,

Aug 11, 2022 - 11:39:34 AM

32 posts since 3/10/2012

quote:
Originally posted by The Old Timer

Had that been disclosed ahead of time, and you liked it, that's a good price.


Thanks; that's really what I was wondering. I don't think the shop was trying to hide anything; I'm not a stranger there. I think they just failed to mention it.

I really appreciate all the advice here--thanks again to everyone!

Aug 11, 2022 - 11:46:07 AM

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With three Scruggs Standards in the Hangout Classifieds asking $3,999, $4,500 and $4,999, maybe the $3200 ask on this reflects the repair. That they didn't disclose it is a bit troubling, but now you know and could offer even less. Or agree with Dick that it's a good price

I see you're probably moving on, but I'll still offer my two-cents.

I believe it's an accepted truth that a properly repaired headstock break can perform perfectly well and outlast the owner. Seeing as classical guitars and countless banjos (RK-35, GF-85, Goodtimes and who knows what else) are made with grafted headstocks, gluing on a peghead is obviously an accepted manufacturing technique.

Would I buy a banjo with this repair? Depends on the banjo, apparent quality of the repair (difficult to judge) and price. And if I was really in the market.

Have fun shopping.

Aug 11, 2022 - 1:07:21 PM

1965 posts since 1/28/2013

Take it at $3000 and get a new neck made. The one that is on it is probably the narrow 1-3/16th nutwidth anyway, and needs to be replaced.

Aug 11, 2022 - 1:19:53 PM

32 posts since 3/10/2012

That thought had crossed my mind; I have a friend who makes excellent banjo necks (Bill Keith ordered at least one from him).

Aug 12, 2022 - 11:15:49 AM

1965 posts since 1/28/2013

quote:
Originally posted by PineyWoods

That thought had crossed my mind; I have a friend who makes excellent banjo necks (Bill Keith ordered at least one from him).


Put that new Goldtone Bela Fleck Signature Heart neck on it. $800.

Aug 12, 2022 - 1:40:51 PM

2874 posts since 4/16/2003

$2,600, maybe 2,700.

The repair (even if it's a good one) has devalued it permanently.

Walk in there with cash.
Lay it on the table.
Tell them that's your offer.

Aug 12, 2022 - 2:55:52 PM
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rcc56

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4430 posts since 2/20/2016

A rule of thumb in the market for used guitars and mandolins is that a well repaired peghead break devalues an instrument by 50% of what it would otherwise bring if the head had not been broken.

The banjo market used to be a little more forgiving with peghead breaks than the guitar and mandolin markets, but I am not sure whether that is still true today.

A clean Scruggs model might run $4k - $5k these days.
If you use the 50% rule, that puts the price in the $2000 to $2500 range.
If you choose to be more forgiving and use 60%, you're looking at $2400 to $3000.

Bear in mind that many potential buyers will not consider an instrument with a repaired head. If you decide to let sell the instrument later, this can make it difficult to find a buyer.

Edited by - rcc56 on 08/12/2022 14:56:49

Aug 12, 2022 - 6:09:32 PM

32 posts since 3/10/2012

That’s a good range. I’ve played it quite a bit and really like everything about it. It’s super clean and was just PLEKd, so I think I’m going to have to offer on the high side to get it. No plans on selling it soon, and I really like being able to play before I buy (as opposed to buying sight unseen and having to pack it up and ship it back).
Thanks again for all the info and advice, everybody!

Aug 14, 2022 - 9:35:24 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by jan dupree

. . . get a new neck made. The one that is on it is probably the narrow 1-3/16th nutwidth anyway, and needs to be replaced.


Not everyone agrees with that.

Aug 15, 2022 - 1:12:50 AM

32 posts since 3/10/2012

I played mandolin before banjo so that width is not a problem for me.
Trying to decide whether to ask for a better price on this one or take a chance on one in the classifieds.

Aug 15, 2022 - 5:48:53 AM

banjoy

USA

10428 posts since 7/1/2006

Hoo boy that neck crack is VERY obvious in the pics you posted to your profile, and not so obvious in the pics that were borrowed and posted to this thread (which are blurry, low-resolution for some reason, when yours are higher resolution. Go figure.) That is not a clean repair IMHO.

I agree with the 50% valuation offered above.

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