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Aug 7, 2022 - 11:34:40 AM
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Cancelled my lessons for a bit due to extra expenses and needing to save. Trying to put together a song by ear on my own.

My own thoughts: the note for "O" in "weep -o-ver me" is wrong but I'm not sure which to do

Also I wonder if my 21521521 roll should happen twice but faster?

Video:

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Aug 7, 2022 - 12:48:12 PM
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What I'm hearing here is a fair amount of speeding up and slowing down. That makes it really hard to hear the melody notes in their correct locations.

Two possible ways to handle this - and a mix of both would probably be the best course of action:

1) Ignore the roll patterns for now. Work out how to play the melody so that each melody note lands at the correct location in its respective measure. Then go back and figure out how to use rolls as fillers. Realistically, that's the approach that Earl used.

2) Practice with a metronome. You can find free online metronomes, and probably free apps. Metronome practice isn't fun, but it does help keep us in proper time.

Aug 7, 2022 - 2:07:45 PM
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27729 posts since 8/3/2003

I agree with Skip: need to work on timing.

Having said that, you have the right idea. You have the notes to the melody so now you need to smooth out the timing. You are definitely on the right track.

Aug 7, 2022 - 2:29:16 PM

523 posts since 5/21/2020

quote:
Originally posted by robotro17

Cancelled my lessons for a bit due to extra expenses and needing to save. Trying to put together a song by ear on my own.

My own thoughts: the note for "O" in "weep -o-ver me" is wrong but I'm not sure which to do

Also I wonder if my 21521521 roll should happen twice but faster?

Video:

photos.app.goo.gl/iRRvPsdTpLFU6pcm6

Thanks!


This may help you capture the melody and assist with timing.

 

Aug 7, 2022 - 4:18:28 PM

5 posts since 8/1/2020

quote:
Originally posted by eagleisland

What I'm hearing here is a fair amount of speeding up and slowing down. That makes it really hard to hear the melody notes in their correct locations.

Two possible ways to handle this - and a mix of both would probably be the best course of action:

1) Ignore the roll patterns for now. Work out how to play the melody so that each melody note lands at the correct location in its respective measure. Then go back and figure out how to use rolls as fillers. Realistically, that's the approach that Earl used.

2) Practice with a metronome. You can find free online metronomes, and probably free apps. Metronome practice isn't fun, but it does help keep us in proper time.


Thanks. I tried to write out where I think the measures would be I have two tabs written out. I might add it into Strum Machine to try to get it timed better. I definitely know it's off when I try to sing!

Aug 7, 2022 - 4:20:14 PM

5 posts since 8/1/2020

quote:
Originally posted by FenderFred
quote:
Originally posted by robotro17

Cancelled my lessons for a bit due to extra expenses and needing to save. Trying to put together a song by ear on my own.

My own thoughts: the note for "O" in "weep -o-ver me" is wrong but I'm not sure which to do

Also I wonder if my 21521521 roll should happen twice but faster?

Video:

photos.app.goo.gl/iRRvPsdTpLFU6pcm6

Thanks!


This may help you capture the melody and assist with timing.

 


Thanks Jim Panky was my banjo introduction when I first bought one! I needed some new Covid hobbies and the stores were outa paint and sewing machines :D

Aug 7, 2022 - 7:00:26 PM

13596 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by robotro17
I tried to write out where I think the measures would be I have two tabs written out. I might add it into Strum Machine to try to get it timed better. I definitely know it's off when I try to sing!

Plenty of good advice given above. Not being a teacher, I'm not sure how to explain what you need to do. But I can share with you where I'm certain the measures begin, which you can compare to what you've tabbed and use that as a basis to help yourself. The core/defining melody notes will fall on the counts of "1." The syllables on the counts of one are in ALL CAPS.

Oh, BUR-y ME be-NEATH the WIL-low
UN-der the WEEP-ing willow TREE   (plus 1 measure)
So SHE will KNOW where I am SLEEP-ping
AND per-HAPS she’ll weep for ME

I'm counting this as if in 2:  1 & 2 & 1 & 2 &  etc. You'll pick twice as many notes as these counts. So the picking is:  1 E & a 2 E & a  etc.

You can also count it as 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &, but you'll have to count fast to get the count of "one" to come up on the syllables in ALL CAPS.

 

As to whether your version has a wrong note on one word, don't let it worry you. This is a folk song of unknown authorship and there are no doubt variations in the melody. But if your goal is to play a version of the melody that you know, then just work on finding that note: sing it and match it.

Good luck.

Aug 7, 2022 - 7:23:13 PM

5 posts since 8/1/2020

quote:
Originally posted by Old Hickory
Thank you. Do you think it's odd that I feel like a hear a chord change in a different place that I can find in any chord progressions. I'm just putting together the version I hear in my head. The key of G versions I see the D chord starts at -Haps she will weep... 
In my head I only want to play it for "Weep"
Aug 7, 2022 - 8:22:39 PM

13596 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by robotro17
Do you think it's odd that I feel like a hear a chord change in a different place that I can find in any chord progressions. I'm just putting together the version I hear in my head. The key of G versions I see the D chord starts at -Haps she will weep... In my head I only want to play it for "Weep"

Not odd at all. I just think the version you're hearing in in your head is wrong.

I realize I said above this is a folk song that can go any number of ways. But the prevailing way the song goes -- the way the syllables of the lyrics are assigned to beats in the measure   puts "HAPS" on a count of one and on the change to the five chord.

I just now tried to write out the line with the count below it, but that type of spacing no longer works on my Mac. Some kind of incompatibility.

Let's see if I can come close:

1&2
And     &/per      1/haps     &/she'll     2/think    &/of     1/me
 

Edited by - Old Hickory on 08/07/2022 20:28:36

Aug 9, 2022 - 6:45:15 AM

5 posts since 8/1/2020

quote:
Originally posted by Old Hickory
quote:
Originally posted by robotro17
Do you think it's odd that I feel like a hear a chord change in a different place that I can find in any chord progressions. I'm just putting together the version I hear in my head. The key of G versions I see the D chord starts at -Haps she will weep... In my head I only want to play it for "Weep"

Not odd at all. I just think the version you're hearing in in your head is wrong.

I realize I said above this is a folk song that can go any number of ways. But the prevailing way the song goes -- the way the syllables of the lyrics are assigned to beats in the measure   puts "HAPS" on a count of one and on the change to the five chord.

I just now tried to write out the line with the count below it, but that type of spacing no longer works on my Mac. Some kind of incompatibility.

Let's see if I can come close:

1&2
And     &/per      1/haps     &/she'll     2/think    &/of     1/me
 


Thank you. Very helpful!

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