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Jul 11, 2022 - 1:21:22 PM
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570 posts since 2/21/2005

I usually ignore misleading/incorrect banjo ads on eBay, but this one bears comment. Someone known as "goodstockshop 23" is asking $12,999 for a banjo identified as a Gibson Granada with a pre war 40 hole tone ring. In the description he/she touts the rarity of these banjos, stating that "fewer than twenty of these banjos were produced" and "there is no model more legendary than the original five-string Granada with one-piece flange and flathead tone ring". The banjo may have some Granada parts from the 1980s or 90s, but it does not have a Gibson neck or resonator. 40 hole flat head ring? I doubt it.

What bothers me about this ad in particular is that it doesn't appear to be simply written out of ignorance, but rather out of a deliberate attempt to mislead. Conflating pre-war Granadas with this "frankenbanjo" is blatantly false and is designed to entrap eager buyers who may not have all the facts. I wish there was a way for prospective banjo buyers to check with Banjo Hangout first before they make a purchase so they won't be taken in by this nonsense.

Jul 11, 2022 - 1:22:11 PM

ChunoTheDog

Canada

1693 posts since 8/9/2019

Please post a link to the ad.

Jul 11, 2022 - 1:26:05 PM
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570 posts since 2/21/2005

Sorry, I don’t know how to do that. Can someone help me?

Jul 11, 2022 - 1:26:48 PM

ChunoTheDog

Canada

1693 posts since 8/9/2019

copy/paste the web address from ebay onto here, as if you were typing a message.

https://www.ebay.com/str/goodstockshop23

 

Is this the seller?

Edited by - ChunoTheDog on 07/11/2022 13:29:00

Jul 11, 2022 - 1:31:33 PM

570 posts since 2/21/2005

Yes

Jul 11, 2022 - 2:06:52 PM
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RioStat

USA

5880 posts since 10/12/2009

 "In the world of prewar Gibson banjos, there is no model more legendary than the original five-string Granada with one-piece flange and flathead tone ring.  Fewer than twenty of these banjos were produced, making them many times rarer than Martin’s famed prewar D-45 guitars"

This entire "blurb" (from the ebay ad in question) has been lifted from a book or website, because I have read these words several times before.

Yes, the banjo is obviously not as advertised, but someone really wanting a pre-war Granada, and has the money for a pre-war Granada, has probably done their homework, knows what a pre-war Granada is, and would not be fooled by this banjo / ad.

Conversely, some neophyte banjo picker / buyer, who thinks he "knows" what a pre-war Granada is, probably doesn't have $13,000.00+ laying around to spend.

Overall, the ebay seller is engaging in a mis-leading & deceptive endeavor on this banjo. The fact that they "plagiarized" the text of the ad, probably indicates banjo ignorance, more than malice. Either/or...not a good way to conduct business

Jul 11, 2022 - 2:17:44 PM

ChunoTheDog

Canada

1693 posts since 8/9/2019

I still can't find the ad...I must be extra dumb today haha

Jul 11, 2022 - 2:37:59 PM
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banjoy

USA

10423 posts since 7/1/2006

RioStat

Yeah, you're right, those words were lifted (ripped off) from Greg Earnest's website, and here ya go:

earnestbanjo.com/wp/gibson-rb-...e-9557-8/

Jul 11, 2022 - 3:10:34 PM

342 posts since 12/28/2014

It’s up to the consumer to be diligent and informed. There are also sellers that think they do have a very rare instrument due to possibly buying it from someone that told THEM it was such and such. If your getting ready to drop that kind of money on a banjo I’d hope you know what your looking for and are aware of the resources and information available.

Looks to me like someone that’s lazy and/or ignorant that copy pasted some info somewhat relevant to his/her sale, pretty standard on eBay.

Jul 11, 2022 - 3:42:51 PM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

27707 posts since 8/3/2003

He's got a pretty good rep on e-bay. Go here: ebay.com/usr/goodstockshop23?_...61.l2559.

However, for that price, I'd be extremely leery. Remember: caveat emptor! Buyer Beware.

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Jul 11, 2022 - 4:03:15 PM
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RioStat

USA

5880 posts since 10/12/2009

quote:
Originally posted by ChunoTheDog

I still can't find the ad...I must be extra dumb today haha


Dang, Antoine.....you're "off your game" today.....you posted the link to the ebay seller !

Link to ebay Granada

Jul 11, 2022 - 4:10:04 PM
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RioStat

USA

5880 posts since 10/12/2009

quote:
Originally posted by banjoy

RioStat

Yeah, you're right, those words were lifted (ripped off) from Greg Earnest's website, and here ya go:

earnestbanjo.com/wp/gibson-rb-...e-9557-8/


Thanks Frank ! Good memory, or detective work, or both !

I was thinking either Earnest website, or Spann's book, I remembered reading those words, just  couldn't remember where.....

Jul 11, 2022 - 4:19:23 PM
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rcc56

USA

4425 posts since 2/20/2016

Well, I don't know what it is, but I know what it's not:

It's not a pre-war Gibson Granada.
And it's not anywhere near $13,000 worth of banjo, unless by some miracle the tone ring, which we cannot see any part of, is a pre-war Gibson part. The odds are about a million to one against that.

Just for reference, Lowe Vintage in NC is listing a modern era Granada for $5995 in nice condition.

Observe that the seller is "Denny's Jewelry and Pawn" in Arden, NC, which is an unincorporated area outside of Asheville. They probably don't know banjos from swiss cheese.

Edited by - rcc56 on 07/11/2022 16:20:17

Jul 11, 2022 - 9:28:03 PM
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4589 posts since 5/29/2011

If that's a prewar Granada then I'm an unwed mother.
Maybe some Gibson parts, maybe even some prewar Gibson parts, but definitely not $13,000 worth.

Jul 12, 2022 - 7:14:34 AM
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joemcg

USA

129 posts since 5/12/2013

1. Their eBay rating is terrible. Anything less than a 99% rating is a seller to avoid.
2. They probably paid under $1K for this when it came across their counter. Probably way less than $1K.
3. If I were spending this kind of money for a fretted instrument it would be coming from a reputable dealer - Gryphon Strings, Elderly, etc, etc.

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