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Jul 6, 2022 - 10:43:37 AM

DWFII

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I transposed this Utah Phillips song from C to G and tabbed the melody in MuseScore.  Thought someone might want to fool around with it for BG or CH or....

Next step is to make it into a tablature for 2F index lead. I still have to learn how to do that with the software.

 

See below (I didn't realize I could edit the OP)

Edited by - DWFII on 07/06/2022 16:07:56

Jul 6, 2022 - 1:02:32 PM

4437 posts since 10/13/2005

I play/sing this song lots. You can play it out of G tuning using open G, Em and C chords. With the first verse – Stay in G until you get to "warble" where you use the Em chord striking the 1st string on the second fret. On the word "low" you go to the first string 5th fret. From the fifth fret you go 4th fret- 2d fret- and open on the first string for the word "sound." The word "holler" is another Em strike. On the word "listened" use a C chord. The notes are there, they are not hiding and you can find them. Good Figuring! banjered

Jul 6, 2022 - 1:14:30 PM

DWFII

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banjered

Thanks. I have a version of the song in chords. It's much what you describe with an F chord and some other details being the only difference.


Jul 6, 2022 - 4:04:18 PM

DWFII

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Sorry, sorry, sorry!

In my first post I meant to post the full score/tab but somehow I screwed the pooch. Try again: looks right this time...


Edited by - DWFII on 07/06/2022 16:05:29

Jul 6, 2022 - 6:32:49 PM

4437 posts since 10/13/2005

For me, chords for guitar don't always translate to banjo. With banjo there are a lot of partial chords you use. Sometimes the fingering of chords makes for easier playing, and sometimes not because with the banjo you really do play a lot more of the melody as contrasted to just chording though. Plus, your own interpretation of a song. For me in this song the C chord works easier and sounds OK on the word listened. Sometimes on songs like Tennessee Stud I make up chords which probably do have names but whatever works. Enjoy! banjered

Jul 7, 2022 - 7:39:10 AM
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janolov

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I have made a tab how I would play it. My tab can be played either clawhammer or 2-finger index lead. The tab contains two versions: first a rather easy and straight-on, the second version is a little more advanced with some fill-in licks and some easy melodic embellishments to make more variations in the sustained parts.

TableEdit version is in the BHO Tab Archive (https://www.banjohangout.org/tab/browse.asp?m=detail&v=25509 ) with pdf and midi file. I enclose the pdf as attachment and give a direct link to the midi version if anybody wants to listen.

And remember, there are thousands of ways to play this tune, and this is just how I would play it just now.


Jul 7, 2022 - 10:45:20 AM
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Jan's skill at adeptly arranging for CH comes from experience and a familiarity with the style.  He's put in the work-  no other way.

Jul 7, 2022 - 2:04:26 PM

DWFII

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quote:
Originally posted by janolov

I have made a tab how I would play it. My tab can be played either clawhammer or 2-finger index lead. The tab contains two versions: first a rather easy and straight-on, the second version is a little more advanced with some fill-in licks and some easy melodic embellishments to make more variations in the sustained parts.

TableEdit version is in the BHO Tab Archive (https://www.banjohangout.org/tab/browse.asp?m=detail&v=25509 ) with pdf and midi file. I enclose the pdf as attachment and give a direct link to the midi version if anybody wants to listen.

And remember, there are thousands of ways to play this tune, and this is just how I would play it just now.


Jan,

Before I even look at this I want to ask what the protocol is here? Not just legally. If I see or hear a measure that I like,  can I borrow it or incorporate it in my own arrangement?

And before I even look at it I have to say thank you for posting this. thank you for the interest and for reaching out. Even if I don't swipe a lick or two I am sure I will learn something.

Jul 7, 2022 - 3:59:16 PM
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If I may, Jan just did you a serious solid. You should study his excellent tabs, and master that until you ask anything else about this tune. You have everything you need now. Make magic happen now!

Jul 7, 2022 - 5:27:42 PM
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Really well done, Jan :-)

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Jul 7, 2022 - 5:35:46 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by DWFII
...my own arrangement?

The last thing I want to be is discouraging.  I think it is great that you are wanting to pursue the 2FIL style.  In my opinion, there's far too little OT fingerpicking around these days.  As a self-described "rank beginner" though, I think you're getting way ahead of yourself worrying about arranging at this point.  If CH settings work for 2FIL there are about a buzzillion of them out there.  Learn a bunch of those, and once you've got that under your belt, arranging basic melodies in that style will be a snap, and a lot of questions will be answered along the way.

You can spend a lot of time reinventing the wheel.  Tradition has already worked  all of this out. 

 

 

Jul 7, 2022 - 11:33:24 PM
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janolov

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41730 posts since 3/7/2006

quote:
Originally posted by DWFII
quote:
Originally posted by janolov

I have made a tab how I would play it. My tab can be played either clawhammer or 2-finger index lead. The tab contains two versions: first a rather easy and straight-on, the second version is a little more advanced with some fill-in licks and some easy melodic embellishments to make more variations in the sustained parts.

TableEdit version is in the BHO Tab Archive (https://www.banjohangout.org/tab/browse.asp?m=detail&v=25509 ) with pdf and midi file. I enclose the pdf as attachment and give a direct link to the midi version if anybody wants to listen.

And remember, there are thousands of ways to play this tune, and this is just how I would play it just now.


Jan,

Before I even look at this I want to ask what the protocol is here? Not just legally. If I see or hear a measure that I like,  can I borrow it or incorporate it in my own arrangement?

And before I even look at it I have to say thank you for posting this. thank you for the interest and for reaching out. Even if I don't swipe a lick or two I am sure I will learn something.


I think there is nothing personal in my tab. All phrases and licks and rolls are standards that I have "borrowed" from others (more from listening than from reading tabs). So you should feel free to use my as you want, as long as it helps you in your development.

Jul 8, 2022 - 6:32:39 AM
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DWFII

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quote:
Originally posted by janolov

I think there is nothing personal in my tab. All phrases and licks and rolls are standards that I have "borrowed" from others (more from listening than from reading tabs). So you should feel free to use my as you want, as long as it helps you in your development.


Jan,

I looked at the tab.  Again, thank you for your time and efforts. I feel pretty confident that I can learn a lot from it. Maybe even play it eventually. xD

Speaking of which...I practice 40-60 minutes each day. Sometimes I pick up the banjo again just before going to bed to work on my hammer-ons or my pull offs or just a difficult chord position. I stretch the fingers on my left hand and constantly adjust my shoulder arm, elbow and finger positions so as to be comfortable and not 'kill' strings. I work on the flexibility and muscle memory of my right hand. But all of that is neuro-musculature--burning pathways in the brain. I am making progress, I know I am...albeit slowly. I also know that I need to be patient.

But if I'm working my muscles, there is no reason I have to let my mind lay fallow.  I suspect I also can, maybe even need to, learn about the structure of the music and what is possible with the banjo. While my muscles are resting I can learn a new program for creating tablature. While the banjo is silent I can explore what others have done, and do, to take a stark and bare melody and flesh it out--for CH... or 2F in this case.

I had already begun to take the simple score that I posted and work out some elaborations on the melody. Many are very similar, if not identical, to what is in your tab. That's very helpful and pretty affirming...encouraging, even...to know that I'm maybe on the right track.

When I get done with my clumsy attempts, perhaps you will do me the honor of looking at it and telling me where I went wrong... and why. I understand that I am imposing just by making the suggestion but I will not hold you to it nor even expect it.

Again thanks for your generosity of spirit as well as your gift of time.

Edited by - DWFII on 07/08/2022 06:35:37

Jul 23, 2022 - 7:38:45 AM

DWFII

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I realize that this may be a bit out of place but it's not a tab and it's not CH or old time, but  I don't know where else to put it--thematically it seems appropriate here.

Just thought someone would enjoy this rendition of RS&N... I sure did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9KS6QXbtwQ&t=10s

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