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Jul 2, 2022 - 6:23:56 AM
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bubbalouie

Canada

16018 posts since 9/27/2007

What do people expect? It's all over the news! The world has been closed for 2 years & then BOOM! Everything is running smoothly?! 

Everything is understaffed. People sitting in line for passports. Complaining about lost luggage, canceled flights.

Ferries are being canceled here due to staffing shortages. Rent & housing are so expensive here that people can't even live close to their work. There's a shortage of workers during a housing boom because their wages can't cover a place to live.

They are canceling city bus runs because of a lack of drivers. "Affordable" housing condos are going up with one bedroom units for $2,100 a month! 

Still waiting for the rich folks to realize they might need us grunts. 

Jul 2, 2022 - 7:25:30 AM
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STUD

USA

36061 posts since 3/5/2008

Yep...
Things are lookin ..up..

Jul 2, 2022 - 8:16:06 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

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27537 posts since 8/3/2003

It's the age of "I want everything immediately" and that's not likely to change any time soon. Unfortunately, those who have been able to get instant gratification in whatever/whenever they want are now finding it's not as easy or even possible as it was.

It is going to take time to get everything back in working order. Without going political, things happening world-wide are part of the problem, the other part can't be discussed on here.

Jul 2, 2022 - 9:42:25 AM
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13265 posts since 1/15/2005

Looks like we never planned for the pandemic nor planned for coming out of it, neither which in my opinion is acceptable.

Jul 2, 2022 - 9:52:17 AM
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59236 posts since 12/14/2005

People MY age were raised on TV shows where every problem was solved in 30 minutes, with a commercial halfway through where a problem was solved INSTANTLY by buying a Whatever.

Of COURSE we don't have patience.

Jul 2, 2022 - 10:03:10 AM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

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26168 posts since 6/25/2005

It is also clear that the airlines are deliberately scheduling flights for which they know they have no pilots. That’s irresponsible and messig with people’s lives.

Jul 2, 2022 - 10:29:41 AM
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donc

Canada

6980 posts since 2/9/2010

Bob.. about a year ago we decided to drive to Sooke. The road was being fixed and it was a beautiful summer day. After an hour stuck in traffic we gave up and turned left at Kangaroo Rd. We aren't safe anywhere. In October it was a raining [big news]. We were in Victoria and decided to take the drive to Sooke as we had not seen it for about 6 years. I can't believe how busy it had become. The 4 of us sat in Tim's and watched the traffic creep by. Today we are enjoying the best weather of the year here in Lynn Valley [ usually known as Dim Valley]. Half the world today would love to be stuck on the south end of the island. Stay there and make it last.

Jul 2, 2022 - 10:52:08 AM
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donc

Canada

6980 posts since 2/9/2010

The problem today is that people today will become more complacent when they encounter bad service. If you call a big company or a government office you are not surprised to wait a long time on hold. If we do take a trip this year it won't include airports. Cruze ships are out. Even before the pandemic the ships were getting their share of infections. People without jobs would normally kill to get a job on the B.C. Ferries or the airline industry although they say they can't get people. Some of those jobs do require extensive training and experience but many more positions require very little training. The truth is they are getting away with inexpensive service and they want to keep it that way for as long as they can get away with it. It's a good thing that we still have some competition in many industries. Eventually we hope that the better companies will pull ahead and offer better service with better prices and the lazy ones will be out to pasture. Tim Horton's has been a gold mine in Canada equalling Starbucks. The University area is where our big money resides. Today it's about 60% wealthy orientals. The Tim's restaurant there finally closed after trying for months to recruit and train new employees. The kids in the 5 million dollar homes were not inspired or required to work for $15 an hour.

Jul 3, 2022 - 6:31:34 AM
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bubbalouie

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16018 posts since 9/27/2007

Donc, Sorry to hear you had to put up with new extension to The Collwood Crawl! It'a pretty bad these days with the new 81 million dollar "Upgrade" to the highway in the middle between Sooke & civilization. It's a 2 lane highway with a masive construction site in the middle to make a short section of 4 lane?!. On a summer afternoon it used to be a nice drive through all the hills & curves & scenery, picture it at 5 in the morning . Dark as the hub of hades, pouring rain harder than most people have ever seen, barely any shoulder & no paint to mark the edge of the road. Bad drivers that can't even hit the 60 kph. speed limit have learned that GOOD drivers leave early & have tried to join us, a cow can run 40kph! Anyone that can drive can do 80 safely. Every other car is electric if that tells you anything about the drivers,

There is a constant stream of vehicles ALL Day Long in both directions! We have Cranes here now building codos! I'm going to be that old guy.. "I remember when there was nothing over there, or over there & there!" everywhere there used to be blackberries is being developed.

There is almost always an accident on friday afternoon from rental motorhomes or people new to the road! After a week of battling traffic it's fun to sit there for a few hours moving a car length at a time to get home & relax.

We had a councillor here that had to get to a meeting of all the districts in Victoria during rush hour. He was really late for the meeting & blamed the traffic! He's still being mocked for being so out of it!

Jul 3, 2022 - 11:06:36 AM

csrat

USA

1152 posts since 9/14/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo

It's the age of "I want everything immediately" and that's not likely to change any time soon. Unfortunately, those who have been able to get instant gratification in whatever/whenever they want are now finding it's not as easy or even possible as it was.

It is going to take time to get everything back in working order. Without going political, things happening world-wide are part of the problem, the other part can't be discussed on here.


Define "Working Order"

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Jul 3, 2022 - 11:11:41 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

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quote:
Originally posted by csrat
quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo

It's the age of "I want everything immediately" and that's not likely to change any time soon. Unfortunately, those who have been able to get instant gratification in whatever/whenever they want are now finding it's not as easy or even possible as it was.

It is going to take time to get everything back in working order. Without going political, things happening world-wide are part of the problem, the other part can't be discussed on here.


Define "Working Order"


Let's see if I can define it the way I understand it:

Inflation back down to a decent number.

Gas prices back down to where they are affordable.

Grocery prices down to affordable prices.

Shelves in stores that are stocked with items rather than empty.

People back to work (which is going pretty good)

Rents affordable for decent housing

Housing available at a decent price

Cars back on car lots like they were a few years ago (now if they have any for sale, it's only a couple, no choices).

Law and order back where it should be; i.e., criminals are punished, not let go when they commit crimes.

Fund the police where they can do their jobs as they should.

I can think of several other things, but this will give you an idea of what I think working order means.  May mean different to others. 

Probably others will have more to add.  Please don't add anything political or religious.

Edited by - Texasbanjo on 07/03/2022 11:13:31

Jul 3, 2022 - 11:29:48 AM
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bubbalouie

Canada

16018 posts since 9/27/2007

I'd be hard pressed to add anything to that Sherry!yes

Jul 3, 2022 - 12:04:07 PM

bubbalouie

Canada

16018 posts since 9/27/2007

I just saw this with cams for our daily commute! The comments tell it all! That looks like todays weather!

https://sooke.pocketnews.ca/traffic/

edited to ad..DUH! It's a live cam you dolt!

Edited by - bubbalouie on 07/03/2022 12:07:12

Jul 3, 2022 - 12:54:46 PM
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bubbalouie

Canada

16018 posts since 9/27/2007

I just read that a Victoria resident & hockey fan won the Maxmillions prize & is one Million dollars closer to owning a home! That was from the Lotto site!

Jul 3, 2022 - 2:56:38 PM
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Owen

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quote:
Originally posted by bubbalouie

I'd be hard pressed to add anything to that Sherry!yes


Didn't my man Doug Ford say something about "$1 beer" not that many years ago?  yes

Jul 3, 2022 - 5:30:28 PM

csrat

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1152 posts since 9/14/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo
quote:
Originally posted by csrat
quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo

It's the age of "I want everything immediately" and that's not likely to change any time soon. Unfortunately, those who have been able to get instant gratification in whatever/whenever they want are now finding it's not as easy or even possible as it was.

It is going to take time to get everything back in working order. Without going political, things happening world-wide are part of the problem, the other part can't be discussed on here.


Define "Working Order"


Let's see if I can define it the way I understand it:

Inflation back down to a decent number.

Gas prices back down to where they are affordable.

Grocery prices down to affordable prices.

Shelves in stores that are stocked with items rather than empty.

People back to work (which is going pretty good)

Rents affordable for decent housing

Housing available at a decent price

Cars back on car lots like they were a few years ago (now if they have any for sale, it's only a couple, no choices).

Law and order back where it should be; i.e., criminals are punished, not let go when they commit crimes.

Fund the police where they can do their jobs as they should.

I can think of several other things, but this will give you an idea of what I think working order means.  May mean different to others. 

Probably others will have more to add.  Please don't add anything political or religious.

 


"Things" are being evolved. Any manner of how things work will not be what most people expect. It will not return to what was the working order before the lockdown. Why would anyone reduce rental fees if they can get tenants that are willing to pay those fees? The workforce is undergoing a severe stratification and Universal Basic Income, in one form or another, is on the horizon. Inflation? No way to address that without being political. Same thing with home ownership. Currency will go through a revaluation. Law enforcement will reshape itself, likely more than once. Cars on the lot? Like before? I have no idea what makes you think that.

The economy was failing for several years before the lockdown. Folks who believe that the lockdown brought these troubles about are out of touch with how economies work.

We are witnessing history, although there's a very good chance, if things proceed space, that in fifty years, the records of what happened in these few years will not accurately describe what truly happened.

As in nature, it is not the strongest that survive, is those that can adapt to change.

Jul 4, 2022 - 11:18:20 PM
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Paul R

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quote:
Originally posted by Owen
quote:
Originally posted by bubbalouie

I'd be hard pressed to add anything to that Sherry!yes


Didn't my man Doug Ford say something about "$1 beer" not that many years ago?  yes


It was called "Buck a Beer" and went the way he should have gone. Things have a way of happening when you're planning for something else.

Bob, we've had one lane traffic (and the resulting backups) on the causeway since April. The new bridge is supposed to open later this year. You'd think they could have put off the work until next year, or until the new bridge is open, but noooooo.

Jul 5, 2022 - 6:33:56 PM
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Tommy5

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It’s demographics. There aren’t enough young people in the US or Canada to replace the boomers who are retiring. Covid made it worse as many retirees retired early as the economy sagged under Covid restrictions. The airlines have seen a pilot shortage coming ,as many captains retired a bit early, there aren’t enough new younger pilots to replace them at least for now. The fast food industry that relied on young workers to begin their job experience is now hurting, . The other jobs shortages are in school teaching, police, firemen, the trades ,school bus drivers, the aging of America has its good points and bad, it’s a worldwide problem in 1 st. world nations across the globe.

Jul 5, 2022 - 9:37:38 PM
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kww

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1750 posts since 6/21/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo
 

Let's see if I can define it the way I understand it:

Inflation back down to a decent number.

Gas prices back down to where they are affordable.

Grocery prices down to affordable prices.

Shelves in stores that are stocked with items rather than empty.

People back to work (which is going pretty good)

Rents affordable for decent housing

Housing available at a decent price

Cars back on car lots like they were a few years ago (now if they have any for sale, it's only a couple, no choices).

Law and order back where it should be; i.e., criminals are punished, not let go when they commit crimes.

Fund the police where they can do their jobs as they should.

I can think of several other things, but this will give you an idea of what I think working order means.  May mean different to others. 

Probably others will have more to add.  Please don't add anything political or religious.

 


Probably the single simplest step to accomplish the price reductions would be to eliminate most of the tariffs that were imposed a few years back.

The next step would be to institute capital punishment for white collar crimes.

After taking those two beginning steps, we should sit back and see what to do next.

Jul 6, 2022 - 4:42:03 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

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27537 posts since 8/3/2003

quote:
Originally posted by kww
quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo
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Probably the single simplest step to accomplish the price reductions would be to eliminate most of the tariffs that were imposed a few years back.

The next step would be to institute capital punishment for white collar crimes.

After taking those two beginning steps, we should sit back and see what to do next.


I don't agree with eliminating the tariffs, as they act as a deterrent for more and more foreign items to come in to the states which means less business/money for our country.

I do agree (surprise, we agree on something) with cracking down on criminal behavior and letting criminals know there are consequences to their actions.

I'm not sure either of your suggestions would alleviate the problem, but the second one help. 

Edited by - Texasbanjo on 07/06/2022 04:42:56

Jul 6, 2022 - 7:40:35 AM

Owen

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As I've stated many times, I'm no economist, but I wonder how tariffs fit into a free-market/capitalist economy?

As for travel woes, IF "management"* could adequately match up the numbers re. employees, customers,  planes, etc. a few years ago, I don't see what's preventing them from doing likewise now.

* = and besides not being an economist, I've never worked in high(er) level management.

The airport fiascoes remind me of the principal at my first teaching job.  It was pre-computers and his class scheduling was by way of a master board on the office wall, with those little circular tags hanging on L-hooks.  Some years, he was making adjustments a few months into the school year.  One time a colleague and I were walking by and my colleague noted, "Looks like Jack's in there, still playin' ringers." [aka ring-toss]

Jul 6, 2022 - 8:44:16 AM
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kww

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1750 posts since 6/21/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Owen

As I've stated many times, I'm no economist, but I wonder how tariffs fit into a free-market/capitalist economy?

As for travel woes, IF "management"* could adequately match up the numbers re. employees, customers,  planes, etc. a few years ago, I don't see what's preventing them from doing likewise now.

 


It's surprising what our current level of infection unpredictability can do to an airline. Airlines don't typically maintain reserve staff at every airport: they try to schedule so that the crew that flies in also flies out. If one member of the crew tests positive, that plane is grounded until reserve staff can be flown in. That creates a few hours of delay, and every plane that that crew was supposed to staff on their next leg is now short handed, which requires pulling in crew from other flights, which leaves them short handed, and the problem snowballs. Eventually, they cauterise the wound by cancelling an entire group of interconnected flights so that they can transfer the staff over to the remaining flights.

Airlines pride themselves on extremely high operational efficiency and extremely high passenger load factors, which means that they have built an extremely unstable system. We face the same problem throughout our economy ... when I was young, we had a system where everyone had warehouses and a lot of inventory built up in the supply chain, which served as a buffer in the event of an interruption. Today, everyone prides themselves on a just-in-time inventory: everything gets delivered immediately before it's used. One interruption, and the entire supply-line glitches. Too many glitches, and it fails.

Planes are the same way: in a regulated environment, they used to pack planes to about 75% full on average, now it's 85%. That doesn't look like a huge difference, but it's actually a 40% drop in spare capacity. It cripples their ability to reschedule around a disruption.

Edited by - kww on 07/06/2022 08:45:12

Jul 6, 2022 - 9:06:25 AM

Owen

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Thanks for ^^ Kevin .... an explanation I can understand. yes 

It looks like the nub can be traced back to the validity/appropriateness/value of regulations brought on by "tests positive."   Address the crux of the matter or address/live with the fall-out?

Jul 6, 2022 - 9:15:59 AM

kww

USA

1750 posts since 6/21/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Owen

Thanks for ^^ Kevin .... an explanation I can understand. yes 

It looks like the nub can be traced back to the validity/appropriateness/value of regulations brought on by "tests positive."   Address the crux of the matter or address/live with the fall-out?


Are you suggesting that people that are actively infected should staff flights?

Jul 6, 2022 - 9:30:57 AM

316 posts since 2/11/2019

We started a new policy in our family about a year and a half ago. If we can't get there on wheels we ain't going.

In the past year we've been to Texas, Florida, South Carolina (4 times), Georgia, Tennessee, Wash DC area twice, Lake Erie, Niagara Falls NY, and Mizzoura. Great times it's a good thing we like each other. But we've avoided all the hassles at the airport and have no intention of going back. Yes gas prices suck but it not as bad as it could be in a hybrid minivan.

Edited by - Mad Hornet on 07/06/2022 09:32:23

Jul 6, 2022 - 10:14:28 AM
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Owen

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Kevin: "Are you suggesting that people that are actively infected should staff flights?"

Me: IF that's what I wrote, then that's what I'm "suggesting."  IF I didn't write it, then I'm not "suggesting" it.

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