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Jul 1, 2022 - 1:38:36 AM

captainchris

Australia

6 posts since 7/4/2021

A guy posted on banjobuyer.com recently regarding ‘banjo for sale’ in the Huber section. He was selling an RB-G 2011 for $3000US.
I did a little correspondence with him and it seemed quite genuine. He posted me photos and an explanation of why he was selling.
He had a user name Derick Clerk attached but no account activity.
Classified had 800 views before he took it down.
Anyone else have any correspondence regarding this banjo?

Jul 1, 2022 - 6:30:40 AM

AJA

USA

334 posts since 1/29/2006

I didn't have any interaction with the seller, but I remember the ad. There was a mismatch between his user name and given name "Derick Clerk" vs. Derrick Clark, if I remember correctly.

Sadly, I entertain myself in the morning by scanning the classifieds here and looking for banjos for sale posted by new members. There was another one yesterday, a Huber as well.

I know the moderators are on top of this as much as possible, and by the time I arise here in California, they have probably already removed some of the most egregious examples. It seems to me that there is an increasing sophistication to some of the sales cons. They seem to know more about the instruments and have a better story to tell. It kind of makes me misty-eyed for the days of the transparent Nigerian banking scams.

Jul 1, 2022 - 6:37:45 AM

kd8tzc

USA

392 posts since 4/11/2022

Is it uncommon for someone new or with little activity to sell something? I might be naive, but I could see someone inheriting a relatives banjo and then looking to sell it. Good thing there are escrow companies that you can buy things through to protect you from scammers though.

Jul 1, 2022 - 7:27:27 AM

AJA

USA

334 posts since 1/29/2006

@kd8tzc
No one here is saying that ALL instruments offered by new members are con jobs. But it is fair to say that many of the scams are being attempted by brand new members.

There have been lots of discussions here about recognizing scams, but I fear that re-hashing all of it only educates the scammers. They used to come in with poor English and ridiculously low prices, sometimes identifying a banjo as a guitar. They are no-doubt getting more sophisticated, at least the ones that survive the early AM cleansing done by moderators.

Some members have suggested a "waiting period" between joining and having the privilege of selling, but that has not been put into effect, possibly for the reason that you cite.

No one should let down their guard with instruments offered by existing members. There are lots of "dormant" accounts here, and it isn't particularly difficult to crack passwords, especially those in use a decade or more ago. Hijacking accounts is a relatively common eBay scam method.

I think that I would demand a "proof of life" photo before making any purchase from any but the most established sellers here.

Edited by - AJA on 07/01/2022 07:28:51

Jul 1, 2022 - 2:55:12 PM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

27555 posts since 8/3/2003

quote:
Originally posted by kd8tzc

Is it uncommon for someone new or with little activity to sell something? I might be naive, but I could see someone inheriting a relatives banjo and then looking to sell it. Good thing there are escrow companies that you can buy things through to protect you from scammers though.


It's not at all uncommon for people to join just to sell a banjo they don't want/need but.... we have had a rash of spammers that take a picture and information from another site and try to sell it on here.   We mods have certain ways to check and see if we "think" the ad is good or spam.   Often a member will notify us they have seen the same banjo, pictures and description on another site.

If you're purchasing from a brand new member, Caveat Emptor!!!   Be sure to do your due diligence before you let go of your hard earned money.

Jul 1, 2022 - 4:27:16 PM

captainchris

Australia

6 posts since 7/4/2021

He sent me a screenshot off his phone and in the top corner it said MTN-SA. Mtn is the african mobile network. When I asked where he was located he said 5th avenue Nashville…
This was enough for me. He did send some photos of the banjo though which I imagine he got for here? Anyone recognise? It has an engraved gold tone ring.


 

Jul 2, 2022 - 8:44:41 AM

685 posts since 1/22/2004

OH, RATS! This is positively a scam! That photo is of MY Huber banjo that I have listed for sale on Craig's List!

A couple of weeks ago, someone took my photos from Craig's List and posted them here on BHO trying to sell. Sherry quickly cancelled the ad and blocked the "new member."

I KNOW this photo is of my banjo:
1. The engraving by Huber is "custom," that I chose, combining engraving from different Huber models.
2. The brown top background and blue bottom background is from my living room with my banjo lying on a blue pad.

Here is the link to my original post of 6/4/22 reporting the scam ad posted on the BHO:  Scammer Fake Ad Trying To Sell MY Banjo! - Discussion Forums - Banjo Hangout

Edited by - Just Bill on 07/02/2022 08:54:10

Jul 2, 2022 - 11:08:10 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

27555 posts since 8/3/2003

We mods can lock/ban scammers from the Hangout, but we have no authority at all on banjobuyers.com, so if you need to contact someone there, I presume it would have to be Eric. Just went on the site and see no place to post any warnings of spammers or contact anyone for any reason.

Jul 4, 2022 - 5:00:55 PM
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captainchris

Australia

6 posts since 7/4/2021

Thanks Bill. I reached out to you on another post on this topic earlier but wanted to follow up on this post also. Thanks heaps for the confirmation of the scam. Appreciate the response and the fact that it is absolute certainty that this guy was trying to do a scam sale. User’s account has since been locked for suspect scamming. Deric Clerk was the account but also called himself Derick Clark.

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