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Jun 30, 2022 - 6:18:25 PM

mander

USA

4945 posts since 10/7/2007

So, trying not to be political...

I read where a certain legistraitive body wants to whitewash history by changing what they call something. The funny thing is, the term they suggest replacing the offensive term with is more derogatory, self-explanatory and imagine painting than the original term they find so objectionable. A horrible thing, is a horrible thing. It doesn't matter what you call it, folks will figure out that it is a horrible thing.

I mean, say you wanted to rename "vampires". Is "blood sucker" really a better term? How about "Night stalker"? "Neck biters"? You could call them the "bodily fluid challenged," if you want to. But at some point, even the slowest among us are going to figure out, we mean vampires.

To me, this renaming seems part schrade, part admittion to guilty, and part effort to evade responsibility. Either way, it is not going to accomplish changing history, or how history is perceived.

So, just for yucks, what horrible terms would you rename to make them sound PC?

Jun 30, 2022 - 6:47:32 PM

Owen

Canada

11408 posts since 6/5/2011

Ah yes, a rose by any other name....

When we went farming, there were two ladies in the district named Rose.  A friend married a girl named Rosalie.   All three were A-okay as people, but Rosalie was a step up in the pulchritude dept.  One day, somebody or other made reference to Rosalie as Rose.... and was toot-de-sweet corrected by another dude: "Rose means Rose _______ or Rose ______; Rosalie isn't a Rose ... she's Rosalie!"

Jun 30, 2022 - 6:51:47 PM
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mander

USA

4945 posts since 10/7/2007

quote:
Originally posted by Owen

Ah yes, a rose by any other name....

When we went farming, there were two ladies in the district named Rose.  A friend married a girl named Rosalie.   All three were A-okay as people, but Rosalie was a step up in the pulchritude dept.  One day, somebody or other made reference to Rosalie as Rose.... and was toot-de-sweet corrected by another dude: "Rose means Rose _______ or Rose ______; Rosalie isn't a Rose ... she's Rosalie!"


Oh man! I am so glad I looked up pulchritude! It means the exact opposite of what is sounds like it would mean.  I often wished I'd been named Rosalie. I've got the Sally part, just no rose. I am a Roseless Rosalie!

Jun 30, 2022 - 8:55:46 PM

11262 posts since 8/22/2006

just the plan to change a name seems more detrimental and the reasons for the name change seems like adding fuel to the fire per say. Oh, the best laid plans of mice and men. The road paved with good intentions.... yada yada yada.....

Jul 1, 2022 - 12:01:13 AM

m06

England

11272 posts since 10/5/2006

Linguistically it’s about tone. Renaming an official body isn’t typically about a desire to ‘abolish’ words; it’s generally an intention to make a name/title less stark and communicate an attitude change i.e. to soften.

Newness and the contrived nature of that change can make the result seem ‘clumsy’.

It’s not a new phenomenon either. Here in the 1920’s workhouses were renamed Public Assistance Institutions. Did the notion of ‘workhouse’ disappear from our vocabulary? Not really. Did the change convey a significant change in attitude? Probably.

Edited by - m06 on 07/01/2022 00:06:48

Jul 1, 2022 - 4:54:25 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

27555 posts since 8/3/2003

We've gotten entirely too PC. Call a spade a spade and don't try to sugar coat whatever you're trying to hide/change.

Jul 1, 2022 - 6:51:16 AM

Owen

Canada

11408 posts since 6/5/2011

..... It doesn't involve PCness, per se, but methinks that not sugar-coating and not softening things could contravene BHO's [name-calling and flaming] rules.    Sometimes there's a b-i-g gap between best and second best.  Ah well... c'est la viewink   Happy Canada Day all you you-alls.

Jul 1, 2022 - 8:57:37 AM

76448 posts since 5/9/2007

What is this supposed to be about?

Perhaps a review of Mr. Eco's "The Name of the Rose"?One of my favorite novels and a great Sean Connery film.

Edited by - steve davis on 07/01/2022 09:00:30

Jul 1, 2022 - 10:07:13 AM

Buddur

USA

3300 posts since 10/23/2004

The phrase "Politically Correct" is sooooo wrong.

Ooops....sorry for mentioning politics.

Jul 1, 2022 - 10:55:39 AM

76448 posts since 5/9/2007

I'm so glad I don't care one way or the other about politics.

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Jul 1, 2022 - 11:30:57 AM

RB3

USA

1374 posts since 4/12/2004

They're called euphemisms. Sometimes they're silly and transparent, but sometimes they can be very effective rhetorical tools. I'm pretty sure that none of the weapons contractors in the U.S. objected when the War Department had its name changed to the Defense Department. George Carlin provides a clear explanation.

George Carlin - Euphemisms
 

Jul 1, 2022 - 1:20:12 PM

59249 posts since 12/14/2005

I looked up "NAME CHANGE CONTROVERSEY" online, and GODZILLA was at the top of the page.

Also some town in Minnesota, some country near Greece.
Anybody want to PM me with what this is really about?

Jul 1, 2022 - 2:18:39 PM

11262 posts since 8/22/2006

Keeping with Mander’s original question of remaining things to be more inline of PCness yep just made that word up. History the word itself is sexist misogynistic at best change it to theirstory . Fixed another problem man Oops I mean “person” I on a roll.

Jul 1, 2022 - 5:07:34 PM
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59249 posts since 12/14/2005

Somebody DID send me a message.
Persons interested in what it is about, might be less interested in watching the GODZILLA movies, and more interested in reading the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

Jul 2, 2022 - 10:18:55 AM

76448 posts since 5/9/2007

Anything can be turned into a debate.That's the easy way out.

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