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Jun 28, 2022 - 4:58:04 AM

kd8tzc

USA

392 posts since 4/11/2022

I purchased a new Goth 5th string peg for my banjo. The old one came out easy enough, but since the Goth 5th string peg has that one little blade that sticks up (for alignment I presume), I'm having a hard time seating it fully.

I do have it in solidly, but there is a bit extra of the peg sticking out (more so than it should), so that the string coming off of it is not in a straight line to the pip, but maybe .25" or a little less further out than the Pip.

I know you should file a slight grove, and I have tried to do that, but maybe my file is just too fine, as It will only go in so far before I would have to smack it with a hammer. Not wanting to crack the neck, or bow the fret-board by banging it in, any other ideas?

I thought about getting my Dremel tool out, and with a very fine tip etcher or something, just and carve a grove in it, but I always get hesitant with power tools as they can remove too much in a very short period of time.

 

Attached are two pictures of the front and back to show you how far out this is sticking, and the angle of the string.  It plays okay, but it just doesn't look right.

 

Jun 28, 2022 - 5:14:40 AM

1665 posts since 10/12/2011

Did you ream the hole? Looks like the hole may be a hair small for the 5th peg. I also put a small notch for that fin to ride in with a carpenter knife or exacto knife. Like you mentioned for not wanting to split the neck. I have a feeling if you reamed it and put that notch for the fin it would fit like you want it too.  Some folks also just grind/ file the fin off so it slips in.  I perfer to keep it, so it can't rotate.

5th string reamers are expensive on Stew Mac, but many folks (myself included) have gotten reamers from harbor freight and cut them down to make a 5th string reamer.

Edited by - buckholler on 06/28/2022 05:18:26

Jun 28, 2022 - 5:28 AM

kd8tzc

USA

392 posts since 4/11/2022

Hi Scott... no, I didn't ream it as the diameter on the new one and old one are exactly the same (other than that fin). I also don't have a reamer, and all the ones I see (even Stew Mac) seem very long, and with hardened steel, I'm not sure how easy it would be to cut it down to s shorter length.

If I can get a notch for the fin, I'm sure it will fit in there nicely, and I don't want to ream it as I don't want to enlarge the hole and make it a loose fit. Maybe I will have to, but I'd like to try and get the notch cut better first.

Jun 28, 2022 - 5:56:03 AM
like this

11944 posts since 6/30/2020

I have successfully reduced the fin footprint, removing material from the outer edge by grinding and filing. It has no effect on the tuner. This makes the notch that you have to file inside the hole much less intrusive and the portion of fin left holds securely. Notice that the tuner you removed had no fin and it held fast. A dab of glue will insure the tuner does not move, however adding glue is controversial. This is a Gotoh tuner installed on my RK-36


 

Edited by - Pick-A-Lick on 06/28/2022 06:09:50

Jun 28, 2022 - 8:45:29 AM
Players Union Member

Helix

USA

15690 posts since 8/30/2006

With patience, a hacksaw will do it

I use the short Stewmac reamer on Gold Tone, Recording King, and Gotoh
I once trimmed the fin channel
Now I grind the fin away
Do what works for the “get back to playing “

Jun 28, 2022 - 8:54:43 AM

kd8tzc

USA

392 posts since 4/11/2022

Thanks Larry... unfortunately, all my hacksaws are too wide to even fit in the peg hole. I'll file away part of the fin, and use my jewelers triangle file to try and cut the channel a bit more. I just don't care of it sticking out so far, but it's really not hurting anything and it has a nice firm hold on it.

Jun 28, 2022 - 5:56:34 PM

banjonz

New Zealand

11475 posts since 6/29/2003

How did you install the peg? The conventional way is to remove the button, fit the peg in the hole by hand initially and while supporting the neck under the peg ( I do this at my kitchen table with a folded towel under the neck to protect it), I place a 1" wooden dowel with a hold in the middle to go over the button shaft ( a cotton reel would also work) then I firmly tap the top of the dowel to drive the peg in to the right height. This will work with a peg with a larger 'fin'. However, if you are concerned with the neck splitting you can modify the fin. Just my 2c worth.

Jun 29, 2022 - 3:30:03 AM

4667 posts since 9/7/2009

quote:
Originally posted by banjonz

How did you install the peg? The conventional way is to remove the button, fit the peg in the hole by hand initially and while supporting the neck under the peg ( I do this at my kitchen table with a folded towel under the neck to protect it), I place a 1" wooden dowel with a hold in the middle to go over the button shaft ( a cotton reel would also work) then I firmly tap the top of the dowel to drive the peg in to the right height. This will work with a peg with a larger 'fin'. However, if you are concerned with the neck splitting you can modify the fin. Just my 2c worth.


This works great, BUT please taper the hole first. Trying to install a tapered peg into a smaller non-tapered hole will be disastrous. Don't ask me how I know... just trust me.

Jun 29, 2022 - 4:02:34 AM
Players Union Member

Helix

USA

15690 posts since 8/30/2006

Bart Reiter always cut the fin off, he said he had done thousands of these.

The reamer angle is different for Gotoh and the others, but it is negligible.

If you remove the tuner knob and washer, a 5/16" deep socket fits down over the tuner shaft and you can pound it in carefully.

Yours is not deep enough.
Writing words is hard. I mean if you buy the long reamer, you can cut it to length with a hacksaw so you can ream the hole.

I HAVE the stewmac reamer since 2007.  The bottom is flat like a bottom tap so you know when you are at the bottom of the hole.  

I love English or American slang. I think a cotton reel is either a banjo tune or a spool of thread.

Install the tuner so it slants to the left at about 11 o'clock, that will pull the 5th string into the pip and hold it there.

I haven't had a neck crack.

Edited by - Helix on 06/29/2022 04:04:19

Jun 29, 2022 - 4:38:07 AM

kd8tzc

USA

392 posts since 4/11/2022

quote:
Originally posted by banjonz

How did you install the peg? The conventional way is to remove the button, fit the peg in the hole by hand initially and while supporting the neck under the peg ( I do this at my kitchen table with a folded towel under the neck to protect it), I place a 1" wooden dowel with a hold in the middle to go over the button shaft ( a cotton reel would also work) then I firmly tap the top of the dowel to drive the peg in to the right height. This will work with a peg with a larger 'fin'. However, if you are concerned with the neck splitting you can modify the fin. Just my 2c worth.


Wayne, I did exactly as you mentioned... It's in there okay, just out a little.

 

quote:
Originally posted by BNJOMAKR
quote:
Originally posted by banjonz

How did you install the peg? The conventional way is to remove the button, fit the peg in the hole by hand initially and while supporting the neck under the peg ( I do this at my kitchen table with a folded towel under the neck to protect it), I place a 1" wooden dowel with a hold in the middle to go over the button shaft ( a cotton reel would also work) then I firmly tap the top of the dowel to drive the peg in to the right height. This will work with a peg with a larger 'fin'. However, if you are concerned with the neck splitting you can modify the fin. Just my 2c worth.


This works great, BUT please taper the hole first. Trying to install a tapered peg into a smaller non-tapered hole will be disastrous. Don't ask me how I know... just trust me.

 


Planning on getting a reamer today to make it just a tad bigger.  Not sure what the degree should be for the reamer though for Gotoh

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Jun 30, 2022 - 10:52:56 AM

kd8tzc

USA

392 posts since 4/11/2022

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who helped me with this. The reamer arrived, and at lunch time, I was able to cut the reamer down a bit (again, with the help of some of you on another thread) and ream out the hole just a bit. The tuner now fits like it should, and the string coming from the pip to the tuner is almost in a straight line back like it should be now.

Many thanks all!

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