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Jun 27, 2022 - 6:10:27 PM
39 posts since 6/20/2022

Greets, one and all.

I'm looking for someone who can make a good repro Vega neck, 5-string, to fit a 10 15/16-inch Tubaphone pot, LEFT HANDED. Usually in this kind of situation I'd get a cheap (though surprisingly good in my experience) Taiwanese neck off eBay or, if it's just a beater, whatever is available used on eBay. For example, I just got a $40 Grafton, new, from England to go on a Maybell pot whose fretboard was horribly chipped. But this is a special banjo and I'd like to get as close to an accurate Vega reproduction as possible.

Ron Coleman's site is no longer with us, and Wyatt Fawley doesn't appear to be taking orders; I had great success with one of his right-handed Vega repros on a Tubaphone awhile ago.

So who is reliable and not insanely expensive?

Thanks in advance!

Jun 27, 2022 - 6:50:36 PM
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Eric A

USA

1544 posts since 10/15/2019

did you try contacting Ron through the Hangout?

https://www.banjohangout.org/myhangout/home.asp?id=22867

 

 

 


 

Jun 27, 2022 - 6:51:22 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

26168 posts since 6/25/2005

What is your concept of “not insanely expensive?”   Cost will also have to account for engraving and heel carving. L

Edited by - Bill Rogers on 06/27/2022 18:54:21

Jun 27, 2022 - 7:45:41 PM
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sold1ode

Canada

109 posts since 10/10/2007

Quebec, Canada banjo restorer / neck maker Carl Arcand would be an excellent choice. He built two beautiful long necks for me and has done other work as well for me, all excellent. Strongly recommend him.

Jun 27, 2022 - 8:09:16 PM

PaulRF

Australia

3345 posts since 2/1/2012

Gold Tone have a Lefty long neck in their REFURBISHED section for $75.

Paul

Jun 27, 2022 - 9:12:26 PM
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4500 posts since 5/29/2011

Besides Ron Coleman there is Clancy Mullins, Randall Wyatt, Arthur Hatfield, Tim Davis, Don Bryant, Mark Hickler, Hunter Lemon, and Chris Sorenson. All are members here.

For Vega style I would check out Mark Hickler first.http://hicklerbanjo.com

Edited by - Culloden on 06/27/2022 21:16:20

Jun 27, 2022 - 9:13:12 PM
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rcc56

USA

4324 posts since 2/20/2016

Mark Hickler, Mesa AZ.  http://www.hicklerbanjo.com

Edited by - rcc56 on 06/27/2022 21:28:12

Jun 27, 2022 - 10:31:02 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

26168 posts since 6/25/2005

And we don’t know what shell Dep has or what the date is. That can make a big difference in style and cost if someone wants a full repro neck. My ‘24 Tubby has a torch peghead inlay and simple dots and a star in the neck. It has a carved heel. Earlier Tubaphone #3s are fancier and a repro neck would cost more. Significantly different than a “Vega style” neck with simple inlays and no heel carving.

Jun 28, 2022 - 12:21:49 AM
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Eric A

USA

1544 posts since 10/15/2019

quote:
Originally posted by Culloden

Besides Ron Coleman there is Clancy Mullins, Randall Wyatt, Arthur Hatfield, Tim Davis, Don Bryant, Mark Hickler, Hunter Lemon, and Chris Sorenson. All are members here.

For Vega style I would check out Mark Hickler first.http://hicklerbanjo.com


left hand side of the screen, hover over "More", then click on Member Search.

Jun 28, 2022 - 4:42:43 AM
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I’ll second Mark Hickler. Made me a neck for my Little Wonder that is absolutely indistinguishable from an original, and done quickly at a very good price point.

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Jun 28, 2022 - 5:06:35 AM
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14728 posts since 6/29/2005

Any number of people on this forum could make an accurate Vega neck, but if you want to duplicate the Icilio Consalvi inlays from the vintage ones, the best person for that would be Glenn Carson.

His work is unbelievable.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gbv=2&ei=Ru66YsCaFtCw5NoPpIijiA8&q=Glenn+Carson+engraving&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjA1aSyjdD4AhVQGFkFHSTECPEQsAR6BAgFEAE&biw=1650&bih=928

Jun 28, 2022 - 10:13:23 AM

39 posts since 6/20/2022

quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers

What is your concept of “not insanely expensive?”   Cost will also have to account for engraving and heel carving. L


Don't want the heel carved, and inlay limited to dots and stars. The only trick involved is it being left-handed 5-string. It's for a 1925 Type M pot. (Yes, I'll keep the original neck and dowel stick intact and with the banjo.)

Jun 28, 2022 - 10:47:27 AM
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Originally posted by PaulRF

Gold Tone have a Lefty long neck in their REFURBISHED section for $75.

Paul


Wish I'd known this a few weeks ago, when I made a left-handed long-neck (Ranger rim, repro electric tone ring) and got a Taiwanese long neck, which is fine but overly gaudy, for much more. Gold Tone seems to have a whole bunch of left-handed necks, which is good to know. In the banjo I'm discussing here, I'm looking to make a really nice instrument with a great neck on a superb pot. But The Gold Tone refurbs would be more than useful for making an on-a-stand-next-to-the-big-chair-in-the-living-room banjo.

Jun 28, 2022 - 11:48:31 AM

12263 posts since 10/27/2006

The big question always: How accurate do you want to get? The advertised nominal scale for the Professional sized 11" (10 15/16") pot was 27". This worked out to 27 1/8"–27 1/4" depending on the strings and the inconsistencies of Vega over the years.

Gold Tone uses the Gibson 26 1/4" nominal scale. Wyatt Fawley and Eastman went with the 26" Standard scale on everything except Wyatt's PS-5 copy necks that had the correct 32"/27" long neck scale (Gibson long necks used the Vega scale, too).

There used to be a great page by Wyatt Fawley on how to spot fake Vega but I don't think it exists anymore. The best thing about it was that one could learn all the features to include in an accurate copy if that was the goal.

It's either an issue or it's not. When I found my Bart Reiter converted '20s Vegaphone Professional plectrum with its Gibson scale, ebony overlay and Coles inspired man-in-the-moon inlays, I decided, "Screw accuracy. This is a fantastic banjo!" and my children will get to argue over it when I'm gone.

Edited by - mikehalloran on 06/28/2022 11:50:59

Jun 28, 2022 - 12:05:25 PM

1906 posts since 1/28/2013

Ron Coleman's email is ronc333g@gmail.com

Jun 28, 2022 - 12:48:35 PM

39 posts since 6/20/2022

Thanks. I'm in touch with him through TBH.

Jun 28, 2022 - 12:54:28 PM

39 posts since 6/20/2022

quote:
Originally posted by mikehalloran

The big question always: How accurate do you want to get? The advertised nominal scale for the Professional sized 11" (10 15/16") pot was 27". This worked out to 27 1/8"–27 1/4" depending on the strings and the inconsistencies of Vega over the years.

Gold Tone uses the Gibson 26 1/4" nominal scale. Wyatt Fawley and Eastman went with the 26" Standard scale on everything except Wyatt's PS-5 copy necks that had the correct 32"/27" long neck scale (Gibson long necks used the Vega scale, too).

There used to be a great page by Wyatt Fawley on how to spot fake Vega but I don't think it exists anymore. The best thing about it was that one could learn all the features to include in an accurate copy if that was the goal.

It's either an issue or it's not. When I found my Bart Reiter converted '20s Vegaphone Professional plectrum with its Gibson scale, ebony overlay and Coles inspired man-in-the-moon inlays, I decided, "Screw accuracy. This is a fantastic banjo!" and my children will get to argue over it when I'm gone.


I'm not interested in making a counterfeit banjo, by any means. I'll leave the dowel stick with the serial number on the original 19-fret tenor neck, and that will remain with the banjo. What I *am* interested in is getting a plain, close copy of a 5-string neck as Vega would have shipped in 1925, the date the banjo was made. I do not know (and do not care) whether Vega shipped banjos with only dots and stars inlay (my sense of it is that they did not). I'm less interested in faking a 1925 left-handed 5-string Vega Tubaphone banjo than I am in playing one!

Jun 28, 2022 - 1:58:47 PM

14728 posts since 6/29/2005

It would be helpful if you would present a picture or specification of exactly what you want, inlays (if) carving (if) etc.  If this is a conjectural thing, which it seems to be, do you want the person making the neck to do the research as to what's appropriate for your pot, and do a design?

Many people on this forum can make a Vega neck, as I a said before, and a left-handed one is no big deal except for your choice of a 5th string tuner—modern worm-and-gear ones are slightly problematic on left-handed necks and must be moved back, which is not historically accurate.

When you get to the inlays and that kind of thing, the devil is in the details, and it narrows down the field of who can do this properly.

Jun 28, 2022 - 2:14 PM

39 posts since 6/20/2022

quote:
Originally posted by Ken LeVan

It would be helpful if you would present a picture or specification of exactly what you want, inlays (if) carving (if) etc.  If this is a conjectural thing, which it seems to be, do you want the person making the neck to do the research as to what's appropriate for your pot, and do a design?

Many people on this forum can make a Vega neck, as I a said before, and a left-handed one is no big deal except for your choice of a 5th string tuner—modern worm-and-gear ones are slightly problematic on left-handed necks and must be moved back, which is not historically accurate.

When you get to the inlays and that kind of thing, the devil is in the details, and it narrows down the field of who can do this properly.


I don't want a neck from a maker who is sufficiently unfamiliar with Vega banjos that he needs more than dots and stars for an inlay description: fret dots and two stars, one on the headstock and one at the fifth fret. I've encountered no problem at all with conventionally placed fifth-string tuning machines -- I typically get them from Stew-Mac, which is local to me and yes, while the barrel is on the other side of the button when it's installed on the other side of the neck, this hasn't been an issue. The devil might be in the details, but what I'm seeking is pretty basic. And presumably anyone capable of making a good Vega repro neck is also capable of discussing where to put the fifth-string tuner. I'm not trying to be arch, but I think I've pretty well described what I'm looking for in the posts above.

Jun 28, 2022 - 2:47:28 PM

14728 posts since 6/29/2005

quote:
Originally posted by dep
quote:
Originally posted by Ken LeVan

It would be helpful if you would present a picture or specification of exactly what you want, inlays (if) carving (if) etc.  If this is a conjectural thing, which it seems to be, do you want the person making the neck to do the research as to what's appropriate for your pot, and do a design?

Many people on this forum can make a Vega neck, as I a said before, and a left-handed one is no big deal except for your choice of a 5th string tuner—modern worm-and-gear ones are slightly problematic on left-handed necks and must be moved back, which is not historically accurate.

When you get to the inlays and that kind of thing, the devil is in the details, and it narrows down the field of who can do this properly.


I don't want a neck from a maker who is sufficiently unfamiliar with Vega banjos that he needs more than dots and stars for an inlay description: fret dots and two stars, one on the headstock and one at the fifth fret. I've encountered no problem at all with conventionally placed fifth-string tuning machines -- I typically get them from Stew-Mac, which is local to me and yes, while the barrel is on the other side of the button when it's installed on the other side of the neck, this hasn't been an issue. The devil might be in the details, but what I'm seeking is pretty basic. And presumably anyone capable of making a good Vega repro neck is also capable of discussing where to put the fifth-string tuner. I'm not trying to be arch, but I think I've pretty well described what I'm looking for in the posts above.


Now that I understand you want a star on the peghead, a star at the 5th fret and dots, you should have no problem finding someone who wants to do this.  I have made several like that myself, usually longneck conversions of old TuBaPhone pots, but the customers usually want them to be a little wider than the original Vega profile and want truss rods.

Jun 28, 2022 - 3:09:50 PM

39 posts since 6/20/2022

I'll see you and raise you fifty: I do not care if it is a finished neck -- in fact, it might be better if it weren't, in that I could better match the finish to that of the pot. So neck, fretboard, frets, probably nut (though not even this is essential; I have a box of blanks).

Jun 28, 2022 - 3:22:41 PM

9784 posts since 8/28/2013

Just a detail that should be considered: the Style M didn't use a star on the headstock, but used a couple of different fancy inlays depending on year. If you truly want an accurate repro, you should consider that fact. The star peghead was used on other models, if I recall, it was used on some of the Whyte Laydie banjos .

Jun 28, 2022 - 3:30:30 PM

39 posts since 6/20/2022

quote:
Originally posted by G Edward Porgie

Just a detail that should be considered: the Style M didn't use a star on the headstock, but used a couple of different fancy inlays depending on year. If you truly want an accurate repro, you should consider that fact. The star peghead was used on other models, if I recall, it was used on some of the Whyte Laydie banjos .


And y'know what? My original Model M dowel stick, which is where it says "Model M," will remain attached to my Model M neck, which is as you describe and, as noted above (I think a couple of times) the nexk and dowel stick will remain with the banjo. Again, I'm not interested in counterfeiting a banjo. I'm interested in playing one and would just as soon it not be totally blank. If at some point I want to make it back into a totally original Model M, I'll put the neck and tailpiece back on and the old tuning machines and that'll be that.

Jun 28, 2022 - 4:10:08 PM

39 posts since 6/20/2022

In an effort to reduce confusion, here is pretty much what I'm looking for. It's a Wyatt Fawley neck, which I think I got unfinished but wouldn't bet my life on it, on a Vegaphone Professional pot. I built it 12 years ago. (No, I didn't choose the tailpiece.) I have the pot already, so I am not looking for one of those. I'm looking for the neck.


 

Jun 28, 2022 - 6:06:22 PM

9784 posts since 8/28/2013

Sorry, but I thought from earlier comments that you wanted authenticity, or that the neck should at least look like the type of neck Vega would have used on this particular banjo had ir had 5 strings from the factory. Although you have since clarified, I( don't think either of your necks (the Fawley and whatever it is on the Tu-ba-Phone resemble anything Vega would have used on these models. If you aren't seeking real accuracy, you might just as well use one of those Ebay necks.

Of course, it's your banjo, so do whatever.

Jun 28, 2022 - 6:19:22 PM

39 posts since 6/20/2022

quote:
Originally posted by G Edward Porgie

Sorry, but I thought from earlier comments that you wanted authenticity, or that the neck should at least look like the type of neck Vega would have used on this particular banjo had ir had 5 strings from the factory. Although you have since clarified, I( don't think either of your necks (the Fawley and whatever it is on the Tu-ba-Phone resemble anything Vega would have used on these models. If you aren't seeking real accuracy, you might just as well use one of those Ebay necks.

Of course, it's your banjo, so do whatever.


Thanks for the permission. But I'm confused -- one of us is, anyway -- in that to the best of my knowledge there's been only one banjo neck shown here. (Which is identical to several genuine Vegas I've seen in the last few minutes, except that the real Vegas didn't have the headstock star; in fact they didn't have anything inlaid up by the tuners!) I'm sorrier than you can imagine that it doesn't look the way you think a mid-1920s Vega 5-string oughta look. I consider a reproduction Vega neck as one that has the same dimensions and shape and manner of construction that an original would have had. Fripperies and doo-dahs don't matter and -- please keep this secret -- I'll put modern tuning machines on it.

The neck in the picture was made by Wyatt Fawley about 12-13 years ago. I do not know the other neck that you are talking about.

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